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BluesMuse
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93 posts since 16 Dec, 2014

Post Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:50 pm

Musical Gym wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:04 am
I may create an Instacomposer thread. Should it go in Effects or Instruments or Hosts & Applications (Sequencers, DAWs, Audio Editors, etc.)?
In Studio One it shows as an Instrument.
I think Instrument is the best fit, given the KVR categories. (then I look up and see this is under effects :ud: ) Oh well!
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Kalamata Kid
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5145 posts since 27 Jul, 2001 from Tarpon Springs, Florida, USA

Post Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:54 pm

I recommend Instruments as in the Instrument forum "midi" is mentioned over three times as often.
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Musical Gym
KVRAF
5499 posts since 24 May, 2004 from square1

Post Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:19 pm

Interesting, pluginboutique shows it under music theory tools.

Here's the link to new thread in Hosts & Applications (Sequencers, DAWs, Audio Editors, etc.):
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=571539
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OneOfManyPauls
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1080 posts since 17 Jul, 2016 from Wales, UK

Post Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:12 pm

I really wouldn't think to look instacomposer up as an instrument - by far the most logical place would look to be:

"Hosts & Applications (Sequencers, DAWs, Audio Editors, etc.) - Plug-in hosts and other software applications discussion"

it is far closer to a sequencer than to an instrument.

Musical Gym
KVRAF
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Post Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:57 am

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BluesMuse
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Post Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:21 am

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:15 am
fairlyclose wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:17 pm
be interested on how you find nodal comparatively - nodal did not click with me when I tried it a while back - one of the things I liked about the video look at midinous was it seemed easier and more powerful than Nodal. But maybe I am misremembering - will demo both
...

I currently get more fun out of bespoke: https://www.bespokesynth.com ;-)
Opensource, a full daw if you want, may become a VST in the future, tons of interesting Midi tools, Python scripting... Great for generative things.

Cheers,

Tom
It took me a few days, but I just "discovered" Bespoke myself. Very reminiscent of the Bitwig Grid (but with a ton of MIDI tools). As far as I can tell, the only way to route the MIDI to another DAW (outside of Bespoke) is to use something like Loopbe. Neat stuff!
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ThomasHelzle
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5892 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:40 am

Yeah, the next update should make it much more usable with plugins etc., but yeah, it's really amazing and refreshingly different - and done by a super nice guy...

Cheers,

Tom
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Musical Gym
KVRAF
5499 posts since 24 May, 2004 from square1

Post Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:47 pm

fyi - I locked the Instacomposer topic as it was quickly getting off track.
I think this thread is more productive.

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ThomasHelzle
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5892 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:36 pm

That first update 1.01 of InstaComposer is up at Plugin Boutique.
Drag and drop Midi works for me in Bitwig now.

Cheers,

Tom
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Alchemedia
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274 posts since 27 Nov, 2017

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:46 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:36 pm
That first update 1.01 of InstaComposer is up at Plugin Boutique.
Drag and drop Midi works for me in Bitwig now.

Cheers,

Tom
AI aside 🙄 is there any advantage to this over the usual suspects including Scaler, Orb, etc. ? I uninstalled the previously released WA Insta plugs for better less fiddly alternatives.

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ThomasHelzle
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5892 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:07 pm

Try the demo.
I find it the first of theirs that is at least interesting, the others I found a mess.
Not completely sure yet if it fits my kind of music.
It tends to be a bit hectic for my taste, even at population 0, so I run it very slowly... ;-)
I don't think it's a must have.
Also not sure how much "intelligence" there is in there...

Still testing.

If it would be updated as constantly as Scaler, it could become quite interesting over time, but WA was never known for constant improvements so I don't have my hopes up too much in that regard.

Cheers,

Tom
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Musical Gym
KVRAF
5499 posts since 24 May, 2004 from square1

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:20 pm

fyi - response from WA Production to my question :

Instacomposer: Artificial Intelligence or Midi Files Database?

We are glad that Plugin Guru reviewed InstaComposer, but they are totally incorrect with the assumption that it is just a box loaded with MIDI loops - that is not how IC works. Each melody interacts with each other to get you the best results. We spent a HUGE amount of time on working on this algorithm and we will keep updating it. So to answer your question - do not be worried. IC is surely not a database of MIDI loops. I believe we know this better than John..

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strovoknights
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447 posts since 22 Aug, 2014

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:40 pm

I'm glad to see that the development of this product is being maintained. The past INSTA products were not good, but InstaComposer is a good product.
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Alchemedia
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274 posts since 27 Nov, 2017

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:46 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:07 pm
Try the demo.
I find it the first of theirs that is at least interesting, the others I found a mess.
Not completely sure yet if it fits my kind of music.
It tends to be a bit hectic for my taste, even at population 0, so I run it very slowly... ;-)
I don't think it's a must have.
Also not sure how much "intelligence" there is in there...

Still testing.

If it would be updated as constantly as Scaler, it could become quite interesting over time, but WA was never known for constant improvements so I don't have my hopes up too much in that regard.

Cheers,

Tom
Roger that. Thx Tom. I always appreciate your insight. :tu:

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BluesMuse
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93 posts since 16 Dec, 2014

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:49 pm

I have had Arturia Pigments for quite a while and am very impressed with the sequencer/arpeggiator that is built in to it. I thought it would be cool for Arturia to sell it as a standalone VST. D'oh! I could have just routed Pigments output to a MIDI track all along :dog: . Thanks Venus Theory for the tip.

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