I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

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handbookofmagic
KVRer
2 posts since 20 Nov, 2019

Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:04 am

Hey guys,

I am currently starting to develop a comprehensive electronic music production course. I would love to know from you guys what you'd think is the biggest sticking points for beginners. What should be covered in that course? What is something that's often missing in tutorials or courses?

Thanks a ton!

enroe
KVRian
1098 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:38 am

I think too many EDM-musician-beginners start with a drum-loop
and then stick to that loop forever - and never surpass this loop.
So the capital question is:

"How to overcome the drumloop-disease?"

Or, the same thought in other words:
"Always start with a melody, not a drumloop!"
:wink:
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Benedict
KVRAF
3130 posts since 5 Mar, 2004 from Gold Coast Australia

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:56 pm

Fear. Fear. Fear...

That leads to getting stuck in the loop pool (see what I did :hihi: ) and endless obsession over genre and other formulas like those so willfully hammered in forums and on overly short (and always heavily edited) Tuts.

Good luck with that tho as that is far harder to sell than giving people exactly the wrong but easy to swallow advice all about following Tips & Tricks to achieve that exact genre formula that MC Shizzy Jizza is getting plays on Spotifry this month.

All the best and happy to help if you want my assistance.

:-)

p.s. I say this having been doing this for 10+ years https://benedictroffmarsh.com/tutorials ... guidebook/

harvon
KVRist
33 posts since 1 Oct, 2019

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:41 pm

enroe wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:38 am
I think too many EDM-musician-beginners start with a drum-loop
and then stick to that loop forever
I'm a cover and composer -beginner; never thought to start a piece out of a drum loop :) But I could believe that choosing where one starts will very much influence what one finishes with. Might be good to deliberately break the personal habits.

Dasheesh
KVRAF
3671 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:58 pm

stop telling young people to do what they are told.

darreno
KVRer
8 posts since 2 Jul, 2019

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:23 pm

I think if you're doing a beginner orientated course it would be helpfully to spend some time on goal setting and getting clear about their intentions, musically or career-wise and corresponding routes for further developing toward those goals.

jeremyh
KVRer
9 posts since 20 Nov, 2019

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:10 am

Encourage getting comfortable with stock DAW devices so they don't get sucked into trying to improve their sound by buying plugin after plugin.

frank1985
KVRist
282 posts since 4 Jun, 2018 from Wiltshire, Uk

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:30 pm

Getting discouraged by poor mixes. Sometimes I just want to give up. It’s a long road from conscious incompetence to unconscious competence.

an unwillingness to experiment / find one’s own sound. I once tried using electric egg whiskers to strum a guitar. It didn’t quite work but it was a step in the right direction :)
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mguerrero90
KVRist
55 posts since 8 May, 2019

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:03 am

Well the importance of creating a good loop cannot be understated, its the main focus of the whole track. Dance music is meant to make you dance, sometimes melody is just a tool to have energy and keep the progression going, not really the whole point of the track.

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DJ Warmonger
KVRAF
3451 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:54 am

Well, it depends. For uplifting, I need to start with strong motiff. However, for psytrance main loop with good groove and punch is the key and the rest of the track could be just random noises. I guess similiar workflow applies to all non-melodic styles, like deep house or techno.

I would ask a different question: how to make main loop not boring?
http://djwarmonger.wordpress.com/
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)

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DMG68
KVRist
84 posts since 2 Sep, 2012

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:13 am

To take the time, and it takes a lot of time, to develop their skills to where they’ll be able to produce quality. Also, not to run after the ‘magic’ plugin that will make your production sound professional, that comes with the skills. The comment above about using stock DAW plugins (basic effects like eq, compression, saturation etc., instruments is a different story) is a good one. Now that I’ve spent time learning, and bought a set of 3rd party effects, I could get pretty much the same results on a mix with the stock cubase devices.

Tom35
KVRer
4 posts since 4 Dec, 2019

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:37 pm

You don;t need lots of plugins and effects to begin with. Just learn how to mix using levels and automation etc.

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Benedict
KVRAF
3130 posts since 5 Mar, 2004 from Gold Coast Australia

Re: I am creating a music production course. I need your opinion :)

Post Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:08 pm

Oh I forgot: teach people that doing absolutely everything makes absolutely no sense and is a pretty sure indicator for failure whereas the opposite is true.

Before you explode, look at successful people and you find that they specialize in the thing they are best at and bring in others to do what they are best at. So when you look at Bowie you were actually looking at Bowie, Ronson, Alomar, Eno, Fripp, Flowers, and an almost endless list of talented people he worked WITH. Same with Sting. Same with Pink Floyd. Same with Eminem...

Build relationships where a team of people do what they are best at so overall you deliver something that is greater than the parts. Not great at mixing, work with someone who is.

:-)

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