Sub bass issue

[superstardj02]

Hey peeps,

I've made a trance track and when the sub (triplets) follows the bass notes of the lead they're either too low and lose all it's power and sounds bad or if I up them an octive they're too high, how can I sort this out so it sounds good?

[Dirtgrain]

I only mess around with trance here and there, but choosing/crafting the bass sound for the triplets is the work. It's trial and error for me. I find a lot of bass presets I've made don't work for it (attack of the bass/transient sound and timbre need consideration). I imagine Dash Glitch would have some good tutorials on Youtube for this.

[superstardj02]

I only mess around with trance here and there, but choosing/crafting the bass sound for the triplets is the work. It's trial and error for me. I find a lot of bass presets I've made don't work for it (attack of the bass/transient sound and timbre need consideration). I imagine Dash Glitch would have some good tutorials on Youtube for this.

Thanks I'll check the channel out, the presets sounds great for all the sub apart from this one section.

[recursive one]

You may want to have separate sub channels for each note, with their own synth settings and their own processing.

Also do your monitors reporduce sub accurately, is your room treated, do you have the same problem in the monitors and the headphones? That might be monitoring issues.

[DJ Warmonger]

Ohh, it's the difficult part of trance production.

iZotope Tonal Balance Control helped me to get the EQ right. Then I use linear phase EQ to maintain the waveform of original sound so it doesn't change its amplitude in unexpected ways.

[superstardj02]

Ohh, it's the difficult part of trance production.

iZotope Tonal Balance Control helped me to get the EQ right. Then I use linear phase EQ to maintain the waveform of original sound so it doesn't change its amplitude in unexpected ways.

It's weird it sound stone on some speakers and not on others

[superstardj02]

You may want to have separate sub channels for each note, with their own synth settings and their own processing.

Also do your monitors reporduce sub accurately, is your room treated, do you have the same problem in the monitors and the headphones? That might be monitoring issues.

Room is not accurately treated, speakers produce sub ok normally, it sounds ok in earphones (not tried my studio ones) sounds good on my Bluetooth speaker, but not in my car Bose system.

[recursive one]

You may want to have separate sub channels for each note, with their own synth settings and their own processing.

Also do your monitors reporduce sub accurately, is your room treated, do you have the same problem in the monitors and the headphones? That might be monitoring issues.

Room is not accurately treated, speakers produce sub ok normally, it sounds ok in earphones (not tried my studio ones) sounds good on my Bluetooth speaker, but not in my car Bose system.

So does the problem only appear in your car system? Or also in your mixing speakers? But not in headphones?

In any case, short percussive basses, like trance/psy basses, tend to sound best only in a narrow pitch range, often less than an octave. When you change the bass note it's often best to clone the bass channel and tweak it to find the sweet spot for the new pitch.

[DJ Warmonger]

Ohh, it's the difficult part of trance production.

iZotope Tonal Balance Control helped me to get the EQ right. Then I use linear phase EQ to maintain the waveform of original sound so it doesn't change its amplitude in unexpected ways.

It's weird it sound stone on some speakers and not on others

Spectral imbalance I guess. If you have noticeable resonant peaks, they resonate in some rooms (or less than perfect sound system) while not the others.

[borsc]

not sure

[enroe]

... they're either too low and lose all it's power and sounds bad ...

In order to become a real "superstar DJ" you could analyze your room
acoustics. The natural resonances of your room are:

f = 170 / d

If you insert the room width, room depth and room height for "d" one
after the other - in meters, you get the 3 natural room resonances, in
Hertz. So if your studio room is not specially damped against these
frequencies, then precisely these frequencies are particularly loud -
and you must NOT lower them - to compensate for this.

The best thing to do is to work on these sub-bass frequencies with
headphones - and try to achieve the most balanced result possible
to reach. E.g. with separate sub-bass tracks.

[Proper Lo-Fi]

Powerful sub bass is often dependent on the key you write in. E-A tend to be most consistent in terms of power vs pitch. Too much lower and systems struggle to reproduce it, too much higher and you lose the sub as it enters the simple bass range. Sub sits in quite a narrow range of less than an octave so to maintain power you can't deviate too much from providing notes that sit in that range. Assuming that the sub is not hitting with the kick a la most trance, phase coherence between the two shouldn't be an issue but if they do hit at the same time at any point that needs to be checked.

[superstardj02]

Powerful sub bass is often dependent on the key you write in. E-A tend to be most consistent in terms of power vs pitch. Too much lower and systems struggle to reproduce it, too much higher and you lose the sub as it enters the simple bass range. Sub sits in quite a narrow range of less than an octave so to maintain power you can't deviate too much from providing notes that sit in that range. Assuming that the sub is not hitting with the kick a la most trance, phase coherence between the two shouldn't be an issue but if they do hit at the same time at any point that needs to be checked.

It's sidechained using lfo tool

[Proper Lo-Fi]

That doesn't mean there can't be phase issues between the two as it will depend on duck amounts and timings. However, from your OP, it suggests it's either the note range of the sub or the sound design used. Are you're sub notes hitting in the key range I suggested?

[kingozrecords]

add gain before a brickwall limiter, like 25 dbfs, then use a wave shaper then reduce by 5-7 dbfs. that will basically normalize in a simple way.