Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

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SparkySpark
KVRAF
1616 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Skövde, Sweden

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:05 am

Hi,

Just saw the news item re Cubase and tight ARA integration (are they just late in their implementation of ARA version 2?).

I looked at this video (promoted here at KVR):

https://youtu.be/XV4it5iQbk4

...and I really, truly dig the workflow. My DAW de preference cannot do this (change between subtracks on the fly, as one seems to be able to do in Cubase, or even integrate with ARA) and it would be so awesome!

Thus, I wonder if comping in this visual manner and very easily choosing between various parts of the subtracks is something available only in Cubase or if it's in all the big name hosts.

Basically, I am looking for a second host, for vocals comping only, integrated with ARA 2 (yes, I own Melodyne). I'd ideally like that host to be as inexpensive as possible, as long as the workflow is there as shown in the video. Cubase LE? Waveform 10? Studio One Free? ...

Thanks for any input!
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KVRian
1031 posts since 28 Mar, 2007

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:12 am

Bandlab Cakewalk has comping and free Melodyne and ara 2 integration.

And its free.

And a great DAW as well.

https://www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalk

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JoseC.
KVRist
444 posts since 14 Nov, 2005 from León, Spain

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:28 am

SparkySpark wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:05 am
Hi,

Just saw the news item re Cubase and tight ARA integration (are they just late in their implementation of ARA version 2?).

I looked at this video (promoted here at KVR):

https://youtu.be/XV4it5iQbk4

...and I really, truly dig the workflow. My DAW de preference cannot do this (change between subtracks on the fly, as one seems to be able to do in Cubase, or even integrate with ARA) and it would be so awesome!

Thus, I wonder if comping in this visual manner and very easily choosing between various parts of the subtracks is something available only in Cubase or if it's in all the big name hosts.

Basically, I am looking for a second host, for vocals comping only, integrated with ARA 2 (yes, I own Melodyne). I'd ideally like that host to be as inexpensive as possible, as long as the workflow is there as shown in the video. Cubase LE? Waveform 10? Studio One Free? ...

Thanks for any input!
Yes, if you own Melodyne your best option is Cakewalk by Bandlab.
Cakewalk by Bandlab with all Sonar Platinum plugins and Melodyne Essential, Live 9, Komplete 12, a handful of hardware and software synths and some guitars. Currently obsessed by VCV Rack.

SparkySpark
KVRAF
1616 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Skövde, Sweden

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:51 pm

Thanks! Much to my surprise, there doesn't seem to be a lot of talk about Cakewalk these days (as in 2019) I think, so I had almost forgotten about that DAW. It's good to hear they have actually implemented not only ARA but also ARA 2 integration. This could be the perfect companion for me: I love the workflow of MuLab and also its modular capabilities, but its audio handling is not very advanced and ARA is not supported. Does the comping on subtracks and putting together a master vocals track from subtracks work as well as in the video?
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KVRAF
3866 posts since 27 Jul, 2001 from Tarpon Springs, Florida, USA

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:51 pm

^^^

I would consider MuLab if it featured ARA!
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KVRian
1024 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:11 pm

The full versions of the "big" DAWs have their own pitch-corrections
for vocal comping:

-- Apple Logic Audio: Flex Pro
-- Steinberg Cubase: VariAudio
-- FL-Studio: NewTone
-- Bandlab Cakewalk: Roland Variphrase
-- Reaper: ReaTune

These built-in pitchcorrections are perfectly integrated and allow a
fluent workflow.

DAWs with ARA-integration - if you have already Melodyne - are:

-- Steinberg Cubase (ARA-2)
-- Presonus Studio One (with Melodyne Essential)
-- Bandlab Cakewalk (ARA-1 and ARA-2)
-- Reaper (ARA-2)
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toddbooster
KVRer
14 posts since 27 Feb, 2019

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:52 pm

enroe wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:11 pm
The full versions of the "big" DAWs have their own pitch-corrections
for vocal comping:

-- Apple Logic Audio: Flex Pro
-- Steinberg Cubase: VariAudio
-- FL-Studio: NewTone
-- Bandlab Cakewalk: Roland Variphrase
-- Reaper: ReaTune

These built-in pitchcorrections are perfectly integrated and allow a
fluent workflow.

DAWs with ARA-integration - if you have already Melodyne - are:

-- Steinberg Cubase (ARA-2)
-- Presonus Studio One (with Melodyne Essential)
-- Bandlab Cakewalk (ARA-1 and ARA-2)
-- Reaper (ARA-2)
Also, Samplitude has it's own built in pitch correction, elastic audio, as well as ARA1 support. Samplitude Pro X5 should be getting ARA2 by the end of the year.

And weirdly, while we're on the subject of MAGIX, ACID Pro 9 should be getting ARA2 added sometime soonish in an update (it was promised at launch).

Tracktion Waveform has ARA1 support.

Digital Performer has it's own built-in pitch correction.

And don't forget Reason, it has it's own built-in pitch correction which is pretty good.

SparkySpark
KVRAF
1616 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Skövde, Sweden

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:41 pm

Thanks a lot for the lists!
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From 9 PM to 5 AM.
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JoseC.
KVRist
444 posts since 14 Nov, 2005 from León, Spain

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:10 am

SparkySpark wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:51 pm
Thanks! Much to my surprise, there doesn't seem to be a lot of talk about Cakewalk these days (as in 2019) I think, so I had almost forgotten about that DAW. It's good to hear they have actually implemented not only ARA but also ARA 2 integration. This could be the perfect companion for me: I love the workflow of MuLab and also its modular capabilities, but its audio handling is not very advanced and ARA is not supported. Does the comping on subtracks and putting together a master vocals track from subtracks work as well as in the video?
Yes, Cakewalk by Bandlab, and Sonar before, has had very comprehensive comping features for a long time, using track lanes (subtracks, if you will) to store takes. With the last update they have made the use of lanes much more flexible, not limiting its use to comping. This post shows more about this:

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php? ... -overview/
Cakewalk by Bandlab with all Sonar Platinum plugins and Melodyne Essential, Live 9, Komplete 12, a handful of hardware and software synths and some guitars. Currently obsessed by VCV Rack.

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KVRAF
1823 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:57 am

enroe wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:11 pm
The full versions of the "big" DAWs have their own pitch-corrections
for vocal comping:

-- Apple Logic Audio: Flex Pro
-- Steinberg Cubase: VariAudio
-- FL-Studio: NewTone
-- Bandlab Cakewalk: Roland Variphrase
-- Reaper: ReaTune

These built-in pitchcorrections are perfectly integrated and allow a
fluent workflow.

DAWs with ARA-integration - if you have already Melodyne - are:

-- Steinberg Cubase (ARA-2)
-- Presonus Studio One (with Melodyne Essential)
-- Bandlab Cakewalk (ARA-1 and ARA-2)
-- Reaper (ARA-2)
I believe Logic has ARA2
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SparkySpark
KVRAF
1616 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Skövde, Sweden

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:30 pm

JoseC. wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:10 am
SparkySpark wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:51 pm
Thanks! Much to my surprise, there doesn't seem to be a lot of talk about Cakewalk these days (as in 2019) I think, so I had almost forgotten about that DAW. It's good to hear they have actually implemented not only ARA but also ARA 2 integration. This could be the perfect companion for me: I love the workflow of MuLab and also its modular capabilities, but its audio handling is not very advanced and ARA is not supported. Does the comping on subtracks and putting together a master vocals track from subtracks work as well as in the video?
Yes, Cakewalk by Bandlab, and Sonar before, has had very comprehensive comping features for a long time, using track lanes (subtracks, if you will) to store takes. With the last update they have made the use of lanes much more flexible, not limiting its use to comping. This post shows more about this:

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php? ... -overview/
Thanks, and thanks for the link to the post in question! It really shows off how good the comping features got this July - it seems I asked my question at a perfect time! :tu:

And this is still freeware? This is just insane. :o :clap:
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instred
KVRer
20 posts since 4 Aug, 2007

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:32 pm

Yes it is free now but you have to have a copy of Melodyne yourself. With being free Cakewalk no longer has it included.
The software keeps getting better. Give it try.

robbie111
KVRist
36 posts since 24 Aug, 2005

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:43 pm

As everyone has said already the best Daw for ARA is Cakewalk and the new update is brilliant for comping. That program just gets better and better.

SparkySpark
KVRAF
1616 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Skövde, Sweden

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:17 am

Thanks guys! I'm downloading Cakewalk now. :tu:

It'll be a fun and rewarding experience, I'm sure (and yes, I do own a copy of Melodyne). I actually showcased at NAMM when Sonar was first released back in the days, so it will be interesting to see what has transpired since then (quite a lot presumably :D).
Making music is a nine-to-five job:
From 9 PM to 5 AM.
Go MuLab!

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JoseC.
KVRist
444 posts since 14 Nov, 2005 from León, Spain

Re: Best DAW for ARA integration and comping

Post Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:48 am

SparkySpark wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:30 pm


Thanks, and thanks for the link to the post in question! It really shows off how good the comping features got this July - it seems I asked my question at a perfect time! :tu:

And this is still freeware? This is just insane. :o :clap:
Actually, the comping features were there before. What they did with the last update was including the possibility of using track lanes fore layering audio in the same track as well. If you are in comping mode, by default each time you click a clip in a lane all the clips in other lanes that overlap with it are automatically muted. Now you can unselect Comping mode and also have all of them sounding and edit all layers in a single track.

Just make sure that you have Comping mode selected in the Smart Tool

I also works with midi, by the way, so you can layer drums and have each instrument in a single clip in a separate lane within a single track.
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