Why you left Bitwig?

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liquidsound
KVRAF
3023 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:02 pm

I use mostly W10 but iMac for Logic Pro and BWS in the weekend.
S1 4.6 "very stable" on W10 and never installed on the iMac.

That link is outrageous :scared: . I'll wait until things gets fixed then. Thank you for pointing it out :tu:

If the Grid (BWS) would send MIDI out it would be fabulous...
MuLab - Omnisphere - Dune - Hive - Repro.5 - "Zebra 3 :pray: "

liquidsound
KVRAF
3023 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:39 pm

@Biscotto
You mentioned that you were trying to record the Ableton LFO as automation.
Well you can.
So if you using a random of whatever shape to modulate anything in Ableton that shape can be recorded to a midi track simultaneously.

If you are interested just post back.
MuLab - Omnisphere - Dune - Hive - Repro.5 - "Zebra 3 :pray: "

substance90
KVRer
10 posts since 29 Apr, 2020

Post Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:10 am

I left Bitwig for Ableton because while the infinite sound design possibilities are tempting, in every day use with limited time for music I actually prefer to have devices pre-configured and stuff pre "connected" if that makes any sense? Like I want to quickly add a filter with an LFO or a mid/side EQ without first creating effect racks, adding modulators etc. And yes, I know that I can save pre-connected default state for my Bitwig devices but that doesn't cut it. It's about the whole philosophy behind the DAW workflow.

tooneba
KVRian
1411 posts since 6 Nov, 2012

Post Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:43 am

substance90 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:10 am
I left Bitwig for Ableton because while the infinite sound design possibilities are tempting, in every day use with limited time for music I actually prefer to have devices pre-configured and stuff pre "connected" if that makes any sense? Like I want to quickly add a filter with an LFO or a mid/side EQ without first creating effect racks, adding modulators etc. And yes, I know that I can save pre-connected default state for my Bitwig devices but that doesn't cut it. It's about the whole philosophy behind the DAW workflow.
Really? I think Live is at the opposite spectrum in the field of "pre-configured and stuff pre connected". It's rather positioning at "do it yourself". Look at Cubase. It has 4 filters to cater pre-defined needs by providing pre configured stuffs.

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antic604
KVRAF
5959 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:53 am

tooneba wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:43 am
substance90 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:10 am
I left Bitwig for Ableton because while the infinite sound design possibilities are tempting, in every day use with limited time for music I actually prefer to have devices pre-configured and stuff pre "connected" if that makes any sense? Like I want to quickly add a filter with an LFO or a mid/side EQ without first creating effect racks, adding modulators etc. And yes, I know that I can save pre-connected default state for my Bitwig devices but that doesn't cut it. It's about the whole philosophy behind the DAW workflow.
Really? I think Live is at the opposite spectrum in the field of "pre-configured and stuff pre connected". It's rather positioning at "do it yourself". Look at Cubase. It has 4 filters to cater pre-defined needs by providing pre configured stuffs.
Well, for a TINY subset of typical uses - like filter with LFO or EQ with mid/side @substance90 is right, but if you want to use LFO or mid/side for anything else, then Bitwig is way faster, IMO. So I guess it all comes down to what you need or - dare I say it - imagine could be useful. I like to add LFOs or envelopes to e.g. saturation parameters or add reverb to side component and delay to mid; but not everyone is "crazy" like that. Some people just want to finish their tracks ;) :D
MPC One / A4 Mk1 / OT Mk1 + Bitwig 3 / Reason 11 / Studio One 5 Pro @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604

substance90
KVRer
10 posts since 29 Apr, 2020

Post Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:29 am

antic604 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:53 am
Some people just want to finish their tracks ;) :D
That was it for me at the end of the day. Yes, the routing possibilities were super nice but I kept exploring instead of finishing any music. In Live I finish tracks within days.

liquidsound
KVRAF
3023 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:35 am

substance90 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:29 am
In Live I finish tracks within days.
I definitely understand that statement.
I’m not a primary Live user, MuLab my main tool I go first but not exclusively.
I’ve been experimenting with BWS for long time and for sure it can be an exploratory delight in sound design and it’s also true that with an appropriate powerful synth I can also come up with extraordinary results, in sound creation, way sufficient for my music.

What’s left is the workflow and in BWS it’s derailed by it’s awesome modulation system which, form me, has become the greatest waste of time in my music life.

Ableton it’s built for results and results NOW.
I can do the same in MuLab and S1 but not yet in BWS.

It’s probably me but I need to say that BWS can indeed encourage such a journey into endless sound design and just the pleasure of experimenting with the carrot at the end of a looong stick :hihi:
MuLab - Omnisphere - Dune - Hive - Repro.5 - "Zebra 3 :pray: "

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antic604
KVRAF
5959 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:02 am

liquidsound wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:35 am
What’s left is the workflow and in BWS it’s derailed by it’s awesome modulation system which, form me, has become the greatest waste of time in my music life.

...

It’s probably me but I need to say that BWS can indeed encourage such a journey into endless sound design and just the pleasure of experimenting with the carrot at the end of a looong stick :hihi:
Let's write to support@bitwig.com asking that access to modulators, Grid, loop and Clip Launcher should be locked until there's at least 3 minutes of material in the Arranger ;) :D

I'd actually use it :help:
MPC One / A4 Mk1 / OT Mk1 + Bitwig 3 / Reason 11 / Studio One 5 Pro @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604

liquidsound
KVRAF
3023 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:03 am

antic604 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:02 am
liquidsound wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:35 am
What’s left is the workflow and in BWS it’s derailed by it’s awesome modulation system which, form me, has become the greatest waste of time in my music life.

...

It’s probably me but I need to say that BWS can indeed encourage such a journey into endless sound design and just the pleasure of experimenting with the carrot at the end of a looong stick :hihi:
Let's write to support@bitwig.com asking that access to modulators, Grid, loop and Clip Launcher should be locked until there's at least 3 minutes of material in the Arranger ;) :D

I'd actually use it :help:
:lol: Love it!
MuLab - Omnisphere - Dune - Hive - Repro.5 - "Zebra 3 :pray: "

liquidsound
KVRAF
3023 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:33 pm

liquidsound wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:39 pm
@Biscotto
You mentioned that you were trying to record the Ableton LFO as automation.
Well you can.
So if you using a random of whatever shape to modulate anything in Ableton that shape can be recorded to a midi track simultaneously.

If you are interested just post back.
Well, maybe this will be of interest to other users
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKMhFLADXfg
MuLab - Omnisphere - Dune - Hive - Repro.5 - "Zebra 3 :pray: "

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