Ok, now this is really odd pricing ... If someone owns Live 8 now, they can upgrade to Suite 8 now for 164 euros, and get Suite 9 for free upon release.
And if you (like me) own suite 8, then it seems the only option is to upgrade for 249 euros when its released. You've got to be kidding me. This has to be a mistake.
Ableton Live 9 announced
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- KVRian
- 905 posts since 3 Sep, 2011
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- KVRAF
- 1782 posts since 4 Sep, 2011 from England
Live 9 has a new controller called Push
Live 9 features page
https://www.ableton.com/en/live/new-in-9/
Live 9 features video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF9eY06 ... r_embedded#!
Live 9 features page
https://www.ableton.com/en/live/new-in-9/
Live 9 features video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF9eY06 ... r_embedded#!
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- KVRAF
- 5175 posts since 29 Apr, 2006
"What's Not in Live 9
This isn't a review; the software isn't out yet. But I might as well list some features that could be on your wish list that aren't there:
Quantization and grids still lack anything beyond the most basic rhythmic units. I'm going to keep complaining about this; hey, they did eventually give us meter changes in Scenes. Until then, Ableton still isn't going to be able to pass my Music Theory I course. (Whew, that does remind me that I'm glad I'm not teaching Music Theory I any more.) Speaking of Scenes…
Scenes aren't any smarter. It still seems to me that this feature needs attention; Follow Actions in Scenes, for instance, seem a no brainer.
MIDI mapping could still benefit from some tweaks. (It seems it's still impossible to enter in Control Changes manually, unless I've missed something. For controllers that send several messages at once, that makes MIDI mapping difficult. Maybe Ableton wants to sneak this in before Q1. I'll buy champagne for the engineers, and we can map until dawn.)
The user interface has mostly subtle improvements, not a complete overhaul - if that's something you wanted. Actually, I love the light gray theme and the fact that they've evened out some borders and made other improvements. I love that Live's interface has stood the test of time; I still like seeing it on my screen. If they can include a "night vision," onstage/club-friendly skin by the time they ship, I'm happy.
DJs have long asked for the ability to use cue points inside clips, and to see waveform displays of more than one playing clip; neither those features is available. In fact, there really hasn't been anything arguably geared directly at DJs in Live other than the crossfader (and, separately, crossfader curves). That hasn't stopped Live from becoming immensely popular among DJs, but it means Traktor and Serato and the like remain fairly safe. I'll defend this as a feature request, though, beyond just niche appeal. I can imagine anyone playing live wants the ability to use mappable cues inside clips, and more waveform views would always be nice - particularly given that screens are generally higher-resolution than when Live first shipped.
For those of you buying high-end new Macs, there's no Retina Display support. (I may have to cue up worldstiniestviolin.als to lament your pain. Okay, seriously, yes, this does make sense to support, and maybe eventually we'll even be able to afford these machines. Ahem.)"
This isn't a review; the software isn't out yet. But I might as well list some features that could be on your wish list that aren't there:
Quantization and grids still lack anything beyond the most basic rhythmic units. I'm going to keep complaining about this; hey, they did eventually give us meter changes in Scenes. Until then, Ableton still isn't going to be able to pass my Music Theory I course. (Whew, that does remind me that I'm glad I'm not teaching Music Theory I any more.) Speaking of Scenes…
Scenes aren't any smarter. It still seems to me that this feature needs attention; Follow Actions in Scenes, for instance, seem a no brainer.
MIDI mapping could still benefit from some tweaks. (It seems it's still impossible to enter in Control Changes manually, unless I've missed something. For controllers that send several messages at once, that makes MIDI mapping difficult. Maybe Ableton wants to sneak this in before Q1. I'll buy champagne for the engineers, and we can map until dawn.)
The user interface has mostly subtle improvements, not a complete overhaul - if that's something you wanted. Actually, I love the light gray theme and the fact that they've evened out some borders and made other improvements. I love that Live's interface has stood the test of time; I still like seeing it on my screen. If they can include a "night vision," onstage/club-friendly skin by the time they ship, I'm happy.
DJs have long asked for the ability to use cue points inside clips, and to see waveform displays of more than one playing clip; neither those features is available. In fact, there really hasn't been anything arguably geared directly at DJs in Live other than the crossfader (and, separately, crossfader curves). That hasn't stopped Live from becoming immensely popular among DJs, but it means Traktor and Serato and the like remain fairly safe. I'll defend this as a feature request, though, beyond just niche appeal. I can imagine anyone playing live wants the ability to use mappable cues inside clips, and more waveform views would always be nice - particularly given that screens are generally higher-resolution than when Live first shipped.
For those of you buying high-end new Macs, there's no Retina Display support. (I may have to cue up worldstiniestviolin.als to lament your pain. Okay, seriously, yes, this does make sense to support, and maybe eventually we'll even be able to afford these machines. Ahem.)"
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- Beware the Quoth
- 33159 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
credit for the post you just liberally cut-and-pasted without attribution. lazy bastard.memyselfandus wrote:"What's Not in My Post
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/10/a ... n-details/
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- Beware the Quoth
- 33159 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
yup, doesnt seem quite right. thinking about it, wasnt there this same sort of confusion when 8 came out?maschinelf wrote:Ok, now this is really odd pricing ... If someone owns Live 8 now, they can upgrade to Suite 8 now for 164 euros, and get Suite 9 for free upon release.
And if you (like me) own suite 8, then it seems the only option is to upgrade for 249 euros when its released. You've got to be kidding me. This has to be a mistake.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 42 posts since 6 Jul, 2012
maschinelf wrote:Ok, now this is really odd pricing ... If someone owns Live 8 now, they can upgrade to Suite 8 now for 164 euros, and get Suite 9 for free upon release.
And if you (like me) own suite 8, then it seems the only option is to upgrade for 249 euros when its released. You've got to be kidding me. This has to be a mistake.
+1
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Dean Aka Nekro Dean Aka Nekro https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=162100 - KVRAF
- 6178 posts since 4 Oct, 2007 from Escaped At Last
Good news 
Edit: except the whack upgrade pricing. That will no doubt get cleared up though, Well it better had!
Edit: except the whack upgrade pricing. That will no doubt get cleared up though, Well it better had!
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- KVRian
- 525 posts since 24 Feb, 2008
+1. Also have Live8 Suite + M4L already. How can my upgrade be more expensive than if you have just Live8 now???ULAS wrote:+1maschinelf wrote:Ok, now this is really odd pricing ... If someone owns Live 8 now, they can upgrade to Suite 8 now for 164 euros, and get Suite 9 for free upon release.
And if you (like me) own suite 8, then it seems the only option is to upgrade for 249 euros when its released. You've got to be kidding me. This has to be a mistake.
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- KVRAF
- 1943 posts since 17 Jun, 2005
As much as I love Live (I've been using it for almost a decade nowwhyterabbyt wrote:So what happens to my 'existing' extra instruments if I 'downgrade' to the 'regular' version, anyone know from previous upgrades (7 to 8, say?) And what happens to my working MAX6 M4L?
) I really, really don't like the idea of "repaying for your instruments" in any such Suite/Bundle/Whatever pricing model. I think that's the best argument for using high quality 3rd party instruments instead of the Suite ones, you can keep using them over version changes without paying extra.In reality, when I upgrade it will still be the Suite for sure
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- KVRAF
- 5175 posts since 29 Apr, 2006
thanks for adding the link. not awake yetwhyterabbyt wrote:credit for the post you just liberally cut-and-pasted without attribution. lazy bastard.memyselfandus wrote:"What's Not in My Post
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/10/a ... n-details/
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- KVRAF
- 1579 posts since 14 Oct, 2002
totally agree.Guenon wrote:Mmmh... I have licenses for Live Suite 8 and M4L, and my Suite 9 upgrade offer is 199 euros (about $259). I think that's somewhat steep.
i have Suite+M4Live and it seems to much as an upgrade fee.
a.
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- KVRAF
- 9576 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Me too.lalo wrote:totally agree.Guenon wrote:Mmmh... I have licenses for Live Suite 8 and M4L, and my Suite 9 upgrade offer is 199 euros (about $259). I think that's somewhat steep.
i have Suite+M4Live and it seems to much as an upgrade fee.
a.
No doubt theyll respond to this with an offer
Amazon: why not use an alternative
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- KVRist
- 108 posts since 18 Oct, 2012
Ok, with this ableton have combatted most of my issues with the change I had from logic to ableton, specifically the no built in convolution reverb and really quite poor midi manipulation.
The curves... Nice but it'll be good to see if they've put in an automation plugin delay compensation because otherwise if you use a high latency plugin you still have to move your curve somewhere that looks horribly inaccurate and no amount of nice curves will fix that.
The UI improvements on compressor, gate and eq8 look great. Ideal in fact and having a version of the gule in there will be great.
The new browser.... well, after playing with renoise and how that now handles vsts, they had to do something like that because if you're like me and spend an offensive amount of money on plugins it's difficult as hell to find your stuff if you're a lazy bastard like me and don't put it in nice folders.
And the pitch to midi stuff... well, that saves me buying melodyne DNA cos thats what i wanted it for.
All in all you're damn right I'm upgrading.
The curves... Nice but it'll be good to see if they've put in an automation plugin delay compensation because otherwise if you use a high latency plugin you still have to move your curve somewhere that looks horribly inaccurate and no amount of nice curves will fix that.
The UI improvements on compressor, gate and eq8 look great. Ideal in fact and having a version of the gule in there will be great.
The new browser.... well, after playing with renoise and how that now handles vsts, they had to do something like that because if you're like me and spend an offensive amount of money on plugins it's difficult as hell to find your stuff if you're a lazy bastard like me and don't put it in nice folders.
And the pitch to midi stuff... well, that saves me buying melodyne DNA cos thats what i wanted it for.
All in all you're damn right I'm upgrading.
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- KVRAF
- 5047 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
If that's the casemaschinelf wrote:Ok, now this is really odd pricing ... If someone owns Live 8 now, they can upgrade to Suite 8 now for 164 euros, and get Suite 9 for free upon release.
And if you (like me) own suite 8, then it seems the only option is to upgrade for 249 euros when its released. You've got to be kidding me. This has to be a mistake.
, my Suite license is going for sale, collect and invest in BitWig no matter what.GREED!!!
MuLab-Reaper of course 
