FL Studio 12.9 Beta 3

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On the other hand FL Studio has data about their customers so they'll know at least something when they claim it...

Wait, are you suggesting that Image-Line knows who and when how its software is being used, because that would be serious calling home when in use right.
In fact not just calling home, but also informing them of the content that is being created within FLS.
How else could Image-Line know that a large percentage of todays music is created in some part in FLS.
So either this is the very typical utter nonsense spouted by Image-line reps or a very serious misuse of calling home.

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4 out 5 dentists prefer crest, choosy moms choose jiff, the best a man can get, more **** use ****...it's called marketing people, fluff words, puffing and it happens in every walk of life....hardly worth 5 pages derailing the thread...the internet, 28 years of feeding trolls

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On the other hand FL Studio has data about their customers so they'll know at least something when they claim it...

Wait, are you suggesting that Image-Line knows who and when how its software is being used, because that would be serious calling home when in use right.
In fact not just calling home, but also informing them of the content that is being created within FLS.
How else could Image-Line know that a large percentage of todays music is created in some part in FLS.
So either this is the very typical utter nonsense spouted by Image-line reps or a very serious misuse of calling home.

Well at first they have a customer database and can see who bought FL Studio. If for example AVICII bought it, he might use it for serious music production too as shown in his tutorials Next there are FL Studio power users which are in contact with image line. They wouldn't be powers user if they wouldn't use it. And finally there's of course an update check functionality like in every daw, and more likely every other software. I don't know if FL is sending something like an user id together with the version information. Then they could at least check when was the last time a user checked for an update. Very powerful method to check if multiple persons use the same license I don't care at all since I'm not aware of any plugin or daw that wouldn't call home...

[gentleclockdivider]

The truth lies somewhere in between .
Image line claims 30'000 dowloads of fl studio demo per day , could be true .
Most of these downloaders are snotty teenagers tiptoe-ing into music production .
I def.would take I.L claim with a pinch of salt , it's just marketing and a way to get rid of the 'TOYLIKE' image stigma .
The who's who's list on their webpage is an utter joke , for example deadmaus used to be a fl studio user before he got famous ..gues what happened ....(ableton -) but still he is listed as a power user ....and that goes for 99% of that list ( majority being unknown to me )
I couldn't give a rat's ass what he or se is using , but I.L. marketing is just misleading .
They are def.feeling the bitwig breath in their neck , only advantage I.L.has is the lifetime upgrade and price .
It's a company that started out with a erotic/porn program , then attracted a great coder (gol ) who sadly left , another evenly great coder that tragically died ( arguru ) .. ..
Relatively new blood .max Claster , and daniel schaack being the few dsp coders left ...or some other freelance coders ...
That being said , there are def. some verry good producers using I.L ..the dutch techno producer 'egbert '

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image line have a marketing strategy. they make a commercial application and so compete in the market place like any other software developer. referring to is as having 'Toylike stigma' is exactly the statement that is issued by people who don't use it or know what it's capable of. it is not the best in my opinion but it is more than capable for creating good music.
what is the "erotic/porn program" you are referring to? and is it relevant to what it has evolved into?

[gentleclockdivider]

image line have a marketing strategy. they make a commercial application and so compete in the market place like any other software developer. referring to is as having 'Toylike stigma' is exactly the statement that is issued by people who don't use it or know what it's capable of. it is not the best in my opinion but it is more than capable for creating good music.
what is the "erotic/porn program" you are referring to? and is it relevant to what it has evolved into?

Yes , I have been using FL studio on/off since verion 3.0
I'm totally aware what it's capable of , and what it's not capable of .
THe modulation system ( peak controller /lfo ) is there since version 3 , and no it is not comparable with bitwig ..since fl studio's mod.system is not being processed at audio rate .
After all these years , you still can't zoom in at sample level in the playlist .( you need edison for that ) since even the zoom level is dependent on the ppqn settings .
I don't see them fixing this ,because it would require a rewrite of the core .
YOu can wave the fanboy flag as much as you want , but in essence fl studio hasn't changed that much, apart from a new candycane gui and some instr/effects .
Once could say it that it was perfect from the beginnin and thus no room for improvement , I 'd say they have run out of ideas and talent .

Edit , I don 't want to derail the thread but the erotic program was called porntris , it just shows that the main persons behind I.L. were not in the music industry at all , they also developed a program for a popular tv quiz .( blokken ..I know because I live 2 miles away from I.L. headquarters ) .
Gol left and it shows .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image-Line

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Which doesn't translate into a high percentage of popular music being released with Fruityloops, on the contrary.

As I have asked you, what do you know we don't?

You are the one who is asserting that FL Studio is becoming less relevant and less used to make commercial music. It is you who needs to provide the evidence, if you want to make this point.

You don't like FL Studio or the company, it is clear. But that doesn't change reality, or your right to use another DAW and do something productive with your time.

Regards Scott

You seem to have conveniently forgotten your original claim.

"a large percentage of today's popular music is either made entirely or partially with FL Studio"

I think the real question is, what do you know we don't?

I've simply outlined why I think your claim is false.

Still waiting...

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Because it probably has the highest rate of warez users when it comes to DAWs

It's difficult to tell. Only FL Studio? has telltale signs that it's cracked or using a keygen license.

But to paraphrase Mark Twain:

"There is only one thing worse than being pirated, that's not being pirated".

And by that I mean, it's a sign of how popular FL Studio is, not that we like piracy.

We take down about 600 how to crack FL Studio YouTube videos a month. 1000's of links to downloads.

Regards Scott

You sure about that?

[Image-Line]

...like a moth to a flame...I can't help myself

Image line claims 30'000 dowloads of fl studio demo per day , could be true .

It is actually more than that, but I under-report it because if I told you it's closer to 45K and we had a 20K day you'd be the first to complain.

You still can't zoom in at sample level in the playlist. (you need edison for that ) since even the zoom level is dependent on the ppqn settings .

You can zoom to the level of the 'PPQ', by design. FL Studio allows you to zoom to the accuracy of the editing. You are expecting the Playlist to act as an Audio Editor. That's not how it works. If you care to outline a concrete example where this causes some show-stopping problem, perhaps I can help you use the program as it was designed. But really, I don't think you are here to learn anything new.

I don't see them fixing this ,because it would require a rewrite of the core .

I am also sure you didn't see us releasing a macOS version either, but here it is.

Re your assertion about necks and breath, not really.

Gol left and it shows

Gol retired, then sales almost tripled, and we keep winning awards?



We are doing OK, thanks for your concern.

Regards Scott

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Smashing reply Scott!

[Image-Line]

Smashing reply Scott!

It's sad to see so much bad faith in DAW forums. For the record, Live, Bitwig, Studio One, Reason, Reaper and Cubase are all awesome products, of course they are. So is FL Studio. Producers never had it so good.

Regards Scott

[LawrenceF]

4 out 5 dentists prefer crest, choosy moms choose jiff, the best a man can get, more **** use ****...it's called marketing people, fluff words, puffing and it happens in every walk of life....hardly worth 5 pages derailing the thread...the internet, 28 years of feeding trolls

I think you knew when you wrote the above how nobody would actually hear it, or consider the truth of it.

It's sad to see so much bad faith in DAW forums.
 

Boys and their toys. From the playground to adulthood and beyond... "My toy is better than yours!!!"

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I don't understand why all the venom against IL and FL.
It seems to me that a lot of hip hop / trap music at very high level is made with FL today.
I'm a 70s kid which makes me officially vintage. Been producing music for 25 years now.
Lately I've had a few young songwriters coming to me and it's clear that what they want is a cutting edge, Radio 1 friendly sound (I'm in the UK). Try as I might I couldn't get that using Cubase. Old habits and all that.
So I started researching about new production techniques and got on YouTube. I found this channel https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... QPEhNtUn_Q and started absorbing as much info as I could.
It seems to me that FL Studio is widely used by a lot of successful producers to lay down beats / tracks. If you watch the videos, which are about mainstream tunes, you can see that a few are made in Logic / PT and A LOT are made in Live and FL Studio. Of course it's obvious that once the creative process is finished, the stems are migrated to PT or Logic for probably laying down vocals and definitely mixing, but it's evident that a lot of successful music has been at least initiated in FL studio.
So I downloaded the demo and it made a lot of sense to me. I managed to make the sounds my young clients want to hear.
Guess what DAW I'm buying now.

[gentleclockdivider]

...like a moth to a flame...I can't help myself

Image line claims 30'000 dowloads of fl studio demo per day , could be true .

It is actually more than that, but I under-report it because if I told you it's closer to 45K and we had a 20K day you'd be the first to complain.

You still can't zoom in at sample level in the playlist. (you need edison for that ) since even the zoom level is dependent on the ppqn settings .

You can zoom to the level of the 'PPQ', by design. FL Studio allows you to zoom to the accuracy of the editing. You are expecting the Playlist to act as an Audio Editor. That's not how it works. If you care to outline a concrete example where this causes some show-stopping problem, perhaps I can help you use the program as it was designed. But really, I don't think you are here to learn anything new.

I don't see them fixing this ,because it would require a rewrite of the core .

I am also sure you didn't see us releasing a macOS version either, but here it is.

Re your assertion about necks and breath, not really.

Gol left and it shows

Gol retired, then sales almost tripled, and we keep winning awards?




We are doing OK, thanks for your concern.

Regards Scott

Yep zoom is dependent on ppqn , that what I said , and you just repeated it .

I don't think anyone takes those awards seriously except I.L .
Let's face it , its not a mipa award , is it not ?
I am not hating on flstudio , just pointing out some issues .
Yes , I know about the osx version ( not an aplle user ) , good for those who have a mac .

WOW , you almost make it look like the departure of GOL tripled the sales ...
Without gol , Image line would still be making porntris games , respect to GOL !

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Best porntris games?