Cubase 10.5 is here now....
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Yeah, as I suspected. How do you rewrite the underlying audio engine to be gapless without touching just about everything in your DAW? It'd be akin to starting over from scratch, which is basically the story of how Studio One came about right? Wasn't it some Cubase developers that basically said, "we want to write a modern audio engine and can't do it in Cubase so let's leave and create our own brand new DAW?" So you get a gapless audio engine in Studio One, but it's still way behind on the MIDI side. Cubase can't possibly do that.
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
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- KVRAF
- 6254 posts since 25 Mar, 2004
So THAT'S what that's called. Yes, very annoying. Well, now, gapless is on my list as well.wjoyce wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:10 pmA gapless playback engine provides the ability to perform actions such as creating sends, activating EQs and adding plugins during playback without interrupting the audio. Cubase is the only DAW that I've used that still can't handle this and, for me anyway, it's a major annoyance.BERFAB wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:04 pmCurious as to what a gapless playback engine is, in english, in 25 words or less, please?
Thanks for the explanation.
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So many plugins, so little time...
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
In Cubase's defense, I'm pretty sure Pro Tools and, last I checked, Sonar, still aren't gapless either.
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- KVRer
- 22 posts since 23 Jun, 2005 from Leicester, UK
Ok, I haven't used either, so thanks for the info.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:25 pm In Cubase's defense, I'm pretty sure Pro Tools and, last I checked, Sonar, still aren't gapless either.
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Ah, ok. I hope so, although re-rendering a video in Resolve on this system is insanely fast, it could be a couple of seconds rather than a minute or two. Before this it was these 45-minute renders and I was mightily pissed off, because that's what I do, remix and put the new in videos.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:24 pmHe meant in Cubase 10.5. It's alleged that Video Export is a leaked feature in the upcoming 10.5 release. So #2 in the wishlist is allegedly there in this next release.
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- KVRAF
- 5451 posts since 25 Jan, 2007
Actually Pro Tools is gapless now, since 2019.5 IIRC. And Sonar is now Bandlab, which is free, so they're allowed.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:25 pm In Cubase's defense, I'm pretty sure Pro Tools and, last I checked, Sonar, still aren't gapless either.
Wow, is it really JUST Cubase that isn't gapless at this point?
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Obsolete236871 Obsolete236871 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=236871
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Yes, I also heard a narrative along these lines when S1 popped up, but then I wondered how their audio engine was so unstable and kept causing glitches and unusually high CPU load for many users (especially with some buffer settings), unlike Cubase. I say that as someone who actually likes S1 in principle, the basic structure and design is actually well thought out, but the inferior performance of their audio engine kept me away from fully embracing it.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:23 pmYeah, as I suspected. How do you rewrite the underlying audio engine to be gapless without touching just about everything in your DAW? It'd be akin to starting over from scratch, which is basically the story of how Studio One came about right? Wasn't it some Cubase developers that basically said, "we want to write a modern audio engine and can't do it in Cubase so let's leave and create our own brand new DAW?" So you get a gapless audio engine in Studio One, but it's still way behind on the MIDI side. Cubase can't possibly do that.
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Obsolete236871 Obsolete236871 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=236871
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I really don't need "gapless" as long as the audio engine in general is stable and highly performant for real time applications, which Cubase' engine is! Why would I bother about a 3ms glitch when I activate an EQ?
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- KVRist
- 53 posts since 18 Nov, 2017
I hear you, I think Cubase is outstanding overall and most steinberg plug ins don’t glitch when inserting, more just the flow of adding instruments and new tracks on the fly - not Cubase’s forte at the moment. But Cubase is amazing for big projects with huge track counts, no question.
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- KVRAF
- 2063 posts since 14 Sep, 2004 from $HOME
Hasn’t really bothered me so far either, just recent learned that “gapless audio engine” is a thing.Izak Synthiemental wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:48 pm I really don't need "gapless" as long as the audio engine in general is stable and highly performant for real time applications, which Cubase' engine is! Why would I bother about a 3ms glitch when I activate an EQ?
If you would ask people “do you want a gapless engine”, most likely everyone will scream yes, but if you add “even if that means rewriting the old engine which would take years and resources that could be used elsewhere and the result will probably not be as stable and mature as the current engine especially in the beginning”, not so sure about the result...
I can’t even begin to imagine the complexity that is a DAW audio engine.
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- KVRAF
- 2945 posts since 23 Dec, 2002
I think a gapless Cubase would be a variation of Cubase but a new product optimized for live performance perhaps with scenes and clip launchers as well. I don't want to see Cubase become Bitwig or Live . Cubase does linear recording very well and I wouldn't want to see those efforts diluted as they hopelessly tried to compete with those applications. My two bits and that is probably more than they are worth.