Studio One Version 5.0 Predictions and Requests
- Banned
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
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- KVRian
- 550 posts since 11 Dec, 2017
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Thank you for the explanation. I'll try it today because Midi recording is essential for me. I haven't put attention in S1, but today I will try and report back (if I can).soulata wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 6:25 pmLEt's say I'm recording synths and piano/rhodes sounds using a metronome or while playing back prerecorded drums/bass. The usual situation.
I'm playing my stuff so it should land on a beat or be slightly behind the beat - I'm definetly not rushing.
Midi gets recorded. On playback everything I recorded on the keys sounds rushed. This would not be a problem if it's a fixed amount but it seems it's not really fixed. So - it messes with my groove really bad. Of course I can quantize or slightly move the track but I'm never sure if it's going to land exactly where I played it. This makes S1 unusable for me, except for really rough demos.
Audio's fine. I also like mixing in S1.
k
I remember years ago I had such a problem with another host but the support couldn't replicate it. It happens only with external instrument (playback to trigger it). So, I sold it.
- KVRAF
- 35265 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Yes, and Logic Sculpture too (as with Alchemy it surpasses third party plugins of its kind imho)trancema wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 4:10 pmI agree with antic604 and adding Logic's (Camel Audio) Alchemy to the list.antic604 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:15 amI'd argue that Reason 10's Grain is on par and in many ways better / more innovative and definitely simpler than all of the granular VSTs I've seen. Furthermore Reason 11 Suite's Complex-1 easily rivals other semi-modular synths like Bazille, Aalto, etc.
https://youtu.be/Mb4EEWedQKM
https://youtu.be/XRbUrNEjbj4
It is the most powerful synth included in any DAW, period. Also, Bitwig's Grid has enormous potential but it requires a lot of work, of course.
Also Live's Wavetable is amazing and easily up there with third party Wavetable synths.
- KVRian
- 967 posts since 27 Nov, 2014
Did you try to turn on input quantize in the record panel(Shift+Alt+R)?soulata wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 6:25 pmLEt's say I'm recording synths and piano/rhodes sounds using a metronome or while playing back prerecorded drums/bass. The usual situation.
I'm playing my stuff so it should land on a beat or be slightly behind the beat - I'm definetly not rushing.
Midi gets recorded. On playback everything I recorded on the keys sounds rushed. This would not be a problem if it's a fixed amount but it seems it's not really fixed. So - it messes with my groove really bad. Of course I can quantize or slightly move the track but I'm never sure if it's going to land exactly where I played it. This makes S1 unusable for me, except for really rough demos.
Audio's fine. I also like mixing in S1.
k
It should help.
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- KVRAF
- 3066 posts since 6 Dec, 2002 from Ljubljana/ Slovenia
If I want it quantized I'll do it after the recording. The point is to have midi as recorded (not quantized) to keep the feeling of the performance.
But this is impossible with S1 as it moves the recorded notes slightly ahead. If it was always 17ms ahead there's a tick box to nudge it automatically to the right place. But I'm suspecting it's not always so.
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
I did noticed something but I want to be 100% sure. However, the input quantization is not a good solution especially for human playing. I don't want robotic melodies! Nor randomly humanization function, because I can play it.
I also agree if there is a latency (sure there is), then it should delay all notes but not randomly.
I only can say that Ableton Live 10 is playing exactly how I record. I have, in addition to S1, Reaper 5.99 and Bitwig 3.1 installed. I'll compare with them as well.
I also agree if there is a latency (sure there is), then it should delay all notes but not randomly.
I only can say that Ableton Live 10 is playing exactly how I record. I have, in addition to S1, Reaper 5.99 and Bitwig 3.1 installed. I'll compare with them as well.
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Well, I can't be sure 100% but it might be just a bit ahead. Personally I'm not that affected, but I'm a slow player (means not a good player), so I really can't judge how that would be for a precise piano playing.
Anyway, do you mean like this "ahead"?
Anyway, do you mean like this "ahead"?
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- KVRian
- 513 posts since 4 Apr, 2006
Only just got into S1 and I'm amazed, because I love the Piano Roll (a better Version of Ableton Live one), because of how useable it's on a trackpad <3
So far, I would wish for the note transformations to be applied in real time (Preview checkbox).
Ability to merge arrangment parts and make ghost parts unique.
RMS/Peak Combo Meter
LFO Modulation etc
Ableton Link integration
Retrospective Midi Capture
Don't need a Bitwig/Live style clip launcher yet.
So far, I would wish for the note transformations to be applied in real time (Preview checkbox).
Ability to merge arrangment parts and make ghost parts unique.
RMS/Peak Combo Meter
LFO Modulation etc
Ableton Link integration
Retrospective Midi Capture
Don't need a Bitwig/Live style clip launcher yet.
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- KVRAF
- 3066 posts since 6 Dec, 2002 from Ljubljana/ Slovenia
Yes.EnGee wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:33 am Well, I can't be sure 100% but it might be just a bit ahead. Personally I'm not that affected, but I'm a slow player (means not a good player), so I really can't judge how that would be for a precise piano playing.
Anyway, do you mean like this "ahead"?
S1 midi.jpg
- KVRian
- 967 posts since 27 Nov, 2014
What do you mean robotic? If you play on time you should get notes on time. Ableton and Bitwig input quantize is turn on by default. That is why ableton record how you play.EnGee wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:36 am I did noticed something but I want to be 100% sure. However, the input quantization is not a good solution especially for human playing. I don't want robotic melodies! Nor randomly humanization function, because I can play it.
I also agree if there is a latency (sure there is), then it should delay all notes but not randomly.
I only can say that Ableton Live 10 is playing exactly how I record. I have, in addition to S1, Reaper 5.99 and Bitwig 3.1 installed. I'll compare with them as well.
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Robotic means like a robot! If you have never played piano or learnt to play piano, then forget it!
Ableton and Bitwig they don't have quantize midi on by default! Where did you get that?
Ableton and Bitwig they don't have quantize midi on by default! Where did you get that?
- KVRAF
- 35265 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Yeah I hope not!
- KVRian
- 967 posts since 27 Nov, 2014
If you never played with metronome and never know how to play on time, then forget.
Bitwig is definitelyhave it by default. You need to learn your software.
I play piano and know Studio One, Ableton enough to judge. They behave the same if input quantize turned off.
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- Banned
- 2525 posts since 4 Jul, 2019
When is it useful to have quantise on when recording what you are playing?