Studio One Artists...Worth Time? Best Upgrade Path?

[SoundPorn]

Question for those who started with Studio One Artists, as somebody who uses a ton of 3rd party VSTs using Reaper and Waveform as my main DAW along with the MPC Software, does it come with enough stock plugins and sounds to get going? Since Artists can't load 3rd Party vsts, is Sample One and Impact any good as stock instruments?
And how did you upgrade did you just buy the 3rd Party VST unlock, or upgrade to Pro, and when does Presonus usually do sales?
Id rather wait for a sale and upgrade to.pro because the chord track is one of the main selling points of Studio One for.me but I'd want to use it in the meantime.

[antic604]

Id rather wait for a sale and upgrade to.pro

They're like Waves - they have sale all the time it seems:
https://shop.presonus.com/Studio-One

Better still, get it via JRR Shop (add to basket to see final price - $178):
https://www.jrrshop.com/presonus-studio ... rom-artist

Regarding "is it worth it" - only you can tell. Install the 30-days demo and see for yourself, because how I use and what I expect from Impact XP might be totally different from you.

Considering you have Reaper and Waveform, I'd rather suggest getting one of "creative" DAWs like Bitwig, Live, Reason, FL, etc.

[fuzzlightyear]

Considering you have Reaper and Waveform, I'd rather suggest getting one of "creative" DAWs like Bitwig, Live, Reason, FL, etc.

I think he meant grid based DAWs that you paint your midi on, or with a lot of built in modulation or devices that can do chords, arps, patterns, randomization and other things automatically.

Creativity isn't inside a piece of hardware or software, like a magic rabbit waiting to be pulled out. The creativity comes from within the individual, and what they can do with what they've got.

While trying not to be bogged down by outside influence, hype or requirement based solely on subjectivity.

[antic604]

Considering you have Reaper and Waveform, I'd rather suggest getting one of "creative" DAWs like Bitwig, Live, Reason, FL, etc.

I think he meant grid based DAWs that you paint your midi on, or with a lot of built in modulation or devices that can do chords, arps, patterns, randomization and other things automatically.

Yes, that's what I meant.

Creativity isn't inside a piece of hardware or software, like a magic rabbit waiting to be pulled out. The creativity comes from within the individual, and what they can do with what they've got.

Well, actually I make that distinction on purpose because I believe in it - "traditional" DAWs like Reaper, Cubase, Studio One etc. are mostly used as tools to record creativity that's generated and is happening outside of the DAW itself - in performance, arrangement ideas that the performer aleady had, etc.

"Creative" DAWs as I like to call them - again, mostly - help to find inspiration in the software itself, i.e. by "cluelessly" painting the notes, using pattern sequencers & randomizer devices, heavy modulation & experimental sound design, launching clips in "random" order to figure out what goes with what and in what order, etc.

Obviously that's not objective truth and one can be creative in Cubase and someone else can Bitwig to only records their instruments - that's obvious. But the way those DAWs were designed and where their strengths are positions them differently by default - as a tool vs. almost as an instrument. At least IMO

[chk071]

Id rather wait for a sale and upgrade to.pro

They're like Waves - they have sale all the time it seems:
https://shop.presonus.com/Studio-One

Hmm.... not as far as I've experienced. They have a few sales over the year, but, it's not like Waves who constantly have sales.

[fuzzlightyear]

Considering you have Reaper and Waveform, I'd rather suggest getting one of "creative" DAWs like Bitwig, Live, Reason, FL, etc.

I think he meant grid based DAWs that you paint your midi on, or with a lot of built in modulation or devices that can do chords, arps, patterns, randomization and other things automatically.

Yes, that's what I meant.

Creativity isn't inside a piece of hardware or software, like a magic rabbit waiting to be pulled out. The creativity comes from within the individual, and what they can do with what they've got.

Well, actually I make that distinction on purpose because I believe in it - "traditional" DAWs like Reaper, Cubase, Studio One etc. are mostly used as tools to record creativity that's generated and is happening outside of the DAW itself - in performance, arrangement ideas that the performer aleady had, etc.

"Creative" DAWs as I like to call them - again, mostly - help to find inspiration in the software itself, i.e. by "cluelessly" painting the notes, using pattern sequencers & randomizer devices, heavy modulation & experimental sound design, launching clips in "random" order to figure out what goes with what and in what order, etc.

Obviously that's not objective truth and one can be creative in Cubase and someone else can Bitwig to only records their instruments - that's obvious. But the way those DAWs were designed and where their strengths are positions them differently by default - as a tool vs. almost as an instrument. At least IMO

Maybe "performance" type DAW fits more appropriately.

Because, now it seems that Logic is both Linear and potentially a strong performance DAW, will more follow this path into the future?

Like, Presonus adding the additional chord and drum type "assistance/helper" modules, are there more to come? Like a sequencer, looping or clip launcher type device in version 5.0? Maybe 5.1.

[chk071]

IMO, Presonus saved at the wrong end with the Artist version. I wouldn't want to be without third party plugin support.

[antic604]

Id rather wait for a sale and upgrade to.pro

They're like Waves - they have sale all the time it seems:
https://shop.presonus.com/Studio-One

Hmm.... not as far as I've experienced. They have a few sales over the year, but, it's not like Waves who constantly have sales.

That was obviously not meant to be taken literarily. No one's quite like Waves

[lobanov]

IMO, Presonus saved at the wrong end with the Artist version. I wouldn't want to be without third party plugin support.

+1

The main drawback. But you can (and have to) buy it separately. You'll get a DAW which is more or less functional.

https://shop.presonus.com/VST-and-AU-and-Rewire-Support

And bear in mind, from time to time Presonus makes sales with 50% off. May be it's worth an attention.

[fuzzlightyear]

IMO, Presonus saved at the wrong end with the Artist version. I wouldn't want to be without third party plugin support.

+1

The main drawback. But you can (and have to) buy it separately. You'll get a DAW which is more or less functional.

https://shop.presonus.com/VST-and-AU-and-Rewire-Support

And bear in mind, from time to time Presonus makes sales with 50% off. May be it's worth an attention.

Another perspective might be from the other side, that maybe not having 3rd party plugins as a beginner is a good thing. Because the Artist version was probably meant for that crowd. It's actually a benefit for them to get accustomed to their stock plugins first. Then maybe move onto spending additional money, when the gas beetle eventually bites 'em.

Also, Presonus Studio One seems to be more of a playing musicians, singer songwriters, etc. type of audience. But lately they've been moving towards other genres. Not that a DAW can be specific to a genre, but they can start to cater towards a wider audience and customer base by the tools they provide.

I can see Presonus moving in the same direction that Logic is, because it makes a lot of sense/cents.

[chk071]

TBH, nowadays, in times of opulence, I definitely think that most people, at least the kind doing some kind of electronic music, quickly move towards external virtual instruments, simply because they will be beat round the head with all the best virtual instruments out there. If anything, it's definitely a good idea to rely on DAW's effects for the time being, but, to be limited to the included instruments seems a bit harsh.

I think Cubase does it better, with the small versions of their DAW. In my case, I bought a magazine with Cubase LE 5 on the included DVD, and kind of went up from there, first to Cubase Elements, then to Cubase Artist at some point. All of those come with support for third party plugins. As do the small versions of... well, anything really. Ableton Live, Bitwig, FL Studio, Reason, you name it.

IMO, Presonus would do good to allow third party plugins, and to limit the DAW elsewhere. Cubase Elements does it quite well IMO. Maybe allow sidechaining, then it'll be a really good entry level DAW with enough power to get you started, but enough limits to consider the full version.

For me, the most relevant limitation has always been the number of tracks I can use. Not because I always exceeded it, it's just that there's always a virtual barrier which you are scared to touch...

[SoundPorn]

Hey apologies for the late reply long work week, anywho, i don't need a creative DAW as much i also use Serato and Ableton Lite for loop making, what I like about Studio One is the polish linear sequencing and mixing. Also the chord track that follows audio, i do alot of midi hacking with sampling like turning audio to.midi and Studio Ones chord track makes this easier.

Considering you have Reaper and Waveform, I'd rather suggest getting one of "creative" DAWs like Bitwig, Live, Reason, FL, etc.

I think he meant grid based DAWs that you paint your midi on, or with a lot of built in modulation or devices that can do chords, arps, patterns, randomization and other things automatically.

Yes, that's what I meant.

Creativity isn't inside a piece of hardware or software, like a magic rabbit waiting to be pulled out. The creativity comes from within the individual, and what they can do with what they've got.

Well, actually I make that distinction on purpose because I believe in it - "traditional" DAWs like Reaper, Cubase, Studio One etc. are mostly used as tools to record creativity that's generated and is happening outside of the DAW itself - in performance, arrangement ideas that the performer aleady had, etc.

"Creative" DAWs as I like to call them - again, mostly - help to find inspiration in the software itself, i.e. by "cluelessly" painting the notes, using pattern sequencers & randomizer devices, heavy modulation & experimental sound design, launching clips in "random" order to figure out what goes with what and in what order, etc.

Obviously that's not objective truth and one can be creative in Cubase and someone else can Bitwig to only records their instruments - that's obvious. But the way those DAWs were designed and where their strengths are positions them differently by default - as a tool vs. almost as an instrument. At least IMO

[SoundPorn]

Yeah I agree that Cubase does the cut down DAW by far the best allowing vsts but limiting the amount you can use and limiting tracks is far better then having unlimited tracks without 3rd party plugs. That's honestly a ridiculous idea and for one it doesn't let you know if all ur plugins even work well within the DAW. Only DAWS that could probably get away with that is Logic and FL Studio bcuz of the ridiclous amount of stock plugins that come with it

TBH, nowadays, in times of opulence, I definitely think that most people, at least the kind doing some kind of electronic music, quickly move towards external virtual instruments, simply because they will be beat round the head with all the best virtual instruments out there. If anything, it's definitely a good idea to rely on DAW's effects for the time being, but, to be limited to the included instruments seems a bit harsh.

I think Cubase does it better, with the small versions of their DAW. In my case, I bought a magazine with Cubase LE 5 on the included DVD, and kind of went up from there, first to Cubase Elements, then to Cubase Artist at some point. All of those come with support for third party plugins. As do the small versions of... well, anything really. Ableton Live, Bitwig, FL Studio, Reason, you name it.

IMO, Presonus would do good to allow third party plugins, and to limit the DAW elsewhere. Cubase Elements does it quite well IMO. Maybe allow sidechaining, then it'll be a really good entry level DAW with enough power to get you started, but enough limits to consider the full version.

For me, the most relevant limitation has always been the number of tracks I can use. Not because I always exceeded it, it's just that there's always a virtual barrier which you are scared to touch...

[Kumi_27]

Question for those who started with Studio One Artists, as somebody who uses a ton of 3rd party VSTs using Reaper and Waveform as my main DAW along with the MPC Software, does it come with enough stock plugins and sounds to get going? Since Artists can't load 3rd Party vsts, is Sample One and Impact any good as stock instruments?

Sorry to dig out this thread but apparently Presonus with the 5th version of their DAW included Third-party plugin support (AU, VST2, VST3, and Rewire) also in Artist version. So it changes the situation quite a lot
https://www.presonus.com/products/Studio-One/features

[concealed identity]

Question for those who started with Studio One Artists, as somebody who uses a ton of 3rd party VSTs using Reaper and Waveform as my main DAW along with the MPC Software, does it come with enough stock plugins and sounds to get going? Since Artists can't load 3rd Party vsts, is Sample One and Impact any good as stock instruments?

Sorry to dig out this thread but apparently Presonus with the 5th version of their DAW included Third-party plugin support (AU, VST2, VST3, and Rewire) also in Artist version. So it changes the situation quite a lot
https://www.presonus.com/products/Studio-One/features

They seemed to have removed the page that directly compares the different versions of Studio One side-by-side. Is there something like this anywhere that I'm missing? I never gave Artist a second thought due to the no plugin support, but now that it's there, I'm really curious what features are missing, especially since I wouldn't be using a lot of the new features of 5. Comparing the two versions on this page is a nightmare