Studio One 5 Available Now (5.3 Out June 29th, 2021)

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KVRian
847 posts since 27 Apr, 2005

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:38 pm

Trancit wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:25 am


and while there is absolute random behaviour in all DAWs about zooming horizontally with the mouse wheel Shift+CTRL+ Wheel is for sure one of the most silliest and hardest to press modifier combination...

... and break my fingers for holding Shift+CTRL for horizontal zoom...
Alright, I can't really let this one go, sorry. S1 ranks about fourth in preference for me as far as DAWs go, so I'm no fanboy, but in what universe is holding down the shift and control keys at the same time abnormally difficult? or potentially finger breaking? you can hold them both down with one finger FFS, they are adjacent freaking keys which are conveniently located on BOTH sides of the keyboard. If holding control and shift at the same time is traumatic for you, you should in no way ever learn to play an instrument such as a piano or guitar.

now if it isn't user configurable, that's a fair point, as I would agree that it should be, but control-shift difficult?

KVRist
358 posts since 3 Dec, 2004

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:14 pm

Quick question:

If I have two plugins on a track and I want to A/B them instantly, how do I go about it?

Is there a way to get a key-command that turns one on and one off in one-foul-swoop?

Is there a way to 'select' multiple plugins so I can even A/B between plugin chains?

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GRRRRRRR!
11984 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:06 pm

It's "one fell swoop". I find the easiest way to A/B stuff is to duplicate the track and mute one, then solo it. When it is soloed, you can't hear the other one but when you un-solo it, it goes back to mute and you can only hear the duplicate. Of course, it doesn't work if you want to hear one, then the other in a mix.
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KVRAF
6859 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:12 pm

I don’t know about anything inside S1 that helps with A/B, but if it’s something you’re doing a lot maybe check out Melda MCompare
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MCompare

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KVRAF
9432 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:07 am

Kang wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:14 pm
Quick question:

If I have two plugins on a track and I want to A/B them instantly, how do I go about it?

Is there a way to get a key-command that turns one on and one off in one-foul-swoop?

Is there a way to 'select' multiple plugins so I can even A/B between plugin chains?
Use Splitter in 'normal' (i.e. parallel) mode and just mute one or the other.
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KVRist
358 posts since 3 Dec, 2004

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:24 am

antic604 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:07 am
Kang wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:14 pm
Quick question:

If I have two plugins on a track and I want to A/B them instantly, how do I go about it?

Is there a way to get a key-command that turns one on and one off in one-foul-swoop?

Is there a way to 'select' multiple plugins so I can even A/B between plugin chains?
Use Splitter in 'normal' (i.e. parallel) mode and just mute one or the other.
Good idea, but when I have one muted is there a way to un-mute it and mute the other instantly?

I can use the power buttons on the track inserts easily but I'm more interested in an instant switchover.

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KVRAF
9432 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:33 am

Kang wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:24 am
Good idea, but when I have one muted is there a way to un-mute it and mute the other instantly?

I can use the power buttons on the track inserts easily but I'm more interested in an instant switchover.
Parhaps they can be mapped - in opposite directions - to a macro button, that can then be MIDI-mapped?

I'll test this when I'm home in the evening.
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KVRist
358 posts since 3 Dec, 2004

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:51 am

antic604 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:33 am
Kang wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:24 am
Good idea, but when I have one muted is there a way to un-mute it and mute the other instantly?

I can use the power buttons on the track inserts easily but I'm more interested in an instant switchover.
Parhaps they can be mapped - in opposite directions - to a macro button, that can then be MIDI-mapped?

I'll test this when I'm home in the evening.
It's all good. I'll stick with the power buttons and live with a little gap between switch overs. I'm not gonna use anything that requires any setup, even if the splitter thing could do instant switchover I'm not sure I'd use it either, not because of the setup but because I feel like it would make things convoluted with how often I A/B plugins.

KVRist
358 posts since 3 Dec, 2004

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:39 am

Is there a macro to switch the mute state on selected tracks?

I was thinking I could duplicate the track, swap plugins on the dup, mute one track, select both, then run that macro. That would allow instant A/B with an added benefit of easier volume matching.

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KVRAF
9432 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:05 am

Kang wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:39 am
I was thinking I could duplicate the track, swap plugins on the dup, mute one track, select both, then run that macro. That would allow instant A/B with an added benefit of easier volume matching.
There's a way!

When you duplicate the track and swap plugins:
- select an event (midi or audio clip) on one of the tracks that you want to audition
- hit Shift+M (default PC shortcut for Toggle Mute for Event) to mute that event
- now select the same clips on both tracks & Shift+M will toggle their mute states!

It won't work great for time-based plugins (delays, reverbs, etc.) but should be enough to compare compression, EQing, saturation, distortion, etc.

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KVRist
281 posts since 12 Oct, 2003

Post Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:18 am

Version 5.2.1 Release Notes (April 27, 2021):

Please note:

- Make sure that your 3rd party plug-ins are updated to the most recent version.
- [macOS only] If you’re experiencing any graphics issues with 3rd-party plug-ins, you may disable graphics hardware acceleration (Preferences > General) for improved compatibility.

New features and improvements:
● Updated manuals in English, French, German and Spanish
● Extended "Find and Apply Sound Variation" command to include subfolders
● [Note Editor] Drum view pitch selection improvements
● [Note Editor] Synchronization of tracklist between views
● [FaderPort 8+16] Added feedback for click volume adjustment

The following issues have been fixed:
● Chord follow option on track breaks time stretch
● "Find and Apply Variation" should not find folder names
● "Fit Timeline to Contents" range broken by toggling browser visibility
● "Mixdown Selection" results in wrong length with tempo changes in the rendered range
● "No overlap" option sometimes removes events during move
● "Pin Editor" does not apply in certain situations
● "Show in Context" greyed out on many search results in Loops browser tab
● Compare button not working with 3rd party plug-ins
● “Copy to new Scratch Pad” scrolls arrangement to unwanted position

● [ATOM SQ] Using 'Section' function on Arranger Track returns focus to track
● [ATOM+ATOM SQ] Having ATOM and ATOM SQ running simultaneously can cause erratic bank assignments on ATOM
● [macOS] Cannot move detached mixer window when main window is in fullscreen mode
● [macOS] Settings imported from Windows prevent Studio One from playing audio while in background
● [macOS] Window size is not restored on launch when previously maximized
● [Melodyne] Crash when loading a song with missing clip/s
● [Windows] Mixer is un-maximized when small/large layout toggled

● [Note Editor] Action > Length > Legato isn't working reliably
● [Note Editor] Triangle or other form of automation curve is not correctly sized at certain zoom levels
● [Note Editor] Editor does not update displayed tracks when events are selected in the arrangement
● [Pro EQ2] Phase issues due to wrong reported latency
● [Pro EQ2] LLC is not latency-compensated
● [Score View] Note selection is not drawn in certain situations
● [Score View] Potential crash when inserting tab notes
● [Score View] Sending notes to different voices creates unexpected results
● [Score View] Staff preset name is cut off
● [Score View] Notes on wrong pitches when recording drums
● [Score View] Duplicating score item creates rests
● [Score View] View not aligned correctly when double-clicking an event
● [Score View] View not showing right measures after double-click event selection
● [PreSonus Sphere] Dragging audio into Arrangement to create new track puts file extension in track name
● [PreSonus Sphere] Refresh not working at workspace level
● [Splitter] Duplicate not working properly
● [Splitter] Song data import not working properly

● Arrangement does not release focus from Melodyne editor in certain cases
● Arranger sections overlap when moved to new Scratch Pad
● Audio events are not quantized correctly in certain situations
● BPM rounding discrepancy when confirming tempo of certain events
● Can't select instrument track with no events when editor is open for another instrument track's event
● Range tool export to folder does not render audio file
● Macro Editor down button fails for last entry
● Folder tracks that have been saved collapsed are expanded upon reopening song
● Graphical representation of drag and drop events corrupted when empty and nested folders are present
● Looped playback will unwantedly fade in transient on first bar
● Metronome on/off state not synced correctly with Studio One Remote
● Mixdown will not complete when audio files contain wrong frame count
● Moving arranger sections creates unwanted tempo nodes under certain conditions
● No latency compensation on side-chained channels

● Note events extend beyond loop range when punch and replace modes are active
● Plug-in parameters suddenly jumping to max/min while editing with left mouse button down
● Plug-in name with a number at the end is enumerated incorrectly in the console
● 3rd party plug-in window does not resize correctly in certain situations
● Plug-in loses sidechain send when copied to another track
● Potential crash when duplicating audio events edited with Melodyne
● Potential crash when transforming audio tracks
● Safety Options window appears right on first launch after updating to 5.2
● Saving Instrument+FX presets erroneously appends number to preset names
● Sidechain sends are removed when switching scenes with and without sidechains
● Sound variations are deleted when merging events using VSL Synchron Player

● Splitting takes recorded in a loop removes previous take’s event data
● Tempo changes and markers not read correctly from certain MIDI files
● Track controls UI glitch when using quick-zoom in/out
● "Separate Shared Copies" on shared audio part creates new audio clip version instead
● Umlauts not displayed correctly in new Setlist item name
● Undoing “Add Bus Channel” resets routing to main out instead of the original channel
● Unexpected behavior when transforming and re-transforming tracks with auto tail and "No overlaps" active
● Pitch name reverts to previous selection when editing
● “Zoom Full” sometimes sets wrong horizontal zoom

KVRian
836 posts since 8 May, 2018 from Sweden

Post Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:46 pm

No latency compensation on side-chained channels
Thank Flying Spaghetti Monster finally!! :party: :tu:

KVRian
559 posts since 2 Aug, 2013

Post Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:01 pm

Is there a way to automatically select a desired block/buffer size when rendering or bouncing? Block size affects automation accuracy, so the smallest block size is the best. Or maybe a script or even macro that can easily switch between block sizes?

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KVRAF
9432 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:45 pm

SeeingInMidi wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:01 pm
Block size affects automation accuracy, so the smallest block size is the best.
I don't think that's true at all.
Actually I'm 100% sure it's not.
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KVRist
40 posts since 19 May, 2015

Post Sat May 01, 2021 1:23 am

antic604 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:45 pm
[I don't think that's true at all.
Actually I'm 100% sure it's not.
Actually it is- Automation in S1 is buffer chunk dependent. theyve improved accuracy/fluctuations over the last 2 versions but its still far away from sample accurate. Cubase also isnt sample accurate but it still produces usable results.

This screen is an example from 5.1 and 5.2 with the internal Mixtool gain- observe the chunk at the end of the rendered file (bottom one). The ramp actually starts at next bar, render creates it far before that bar.It will also travel over to the start if you render it as loop.
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Ive been sending support tickets since v2 about thiese issues but it just gets passed- I always get an answer its been frowarded to quality control, but nothing happens.
Enough for me to use something else for serious work.
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