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KVRAF
10711 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:32 am

EnGee wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:19 am
Thanks! But I don't have M4L as I have the standard version not Suite, so I don't think I can load Max devices.
That's a bummer :(
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KVRAF
7607 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:01 am

antic604 wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:32 am
EnGee wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:19 am
Thanks! But I don't have M4L as I have the standard version not Suite, so I don't think I can load Max devices.
That's a bummer :(
No worries! Live is not my main DAW ;) But I like to know what each DAW strong/weak points for my setup.

KVRAF
8236 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:40 am

This looks interesting: https://www.ableton.com/en/packs/octocell/
We are seeing some pretty amazing stuff from MAX 8....
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KVRAF
1645 posts since 25 Feb, 2005

Post Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:06 pm

https://youtu.be/COptQGA1siw worth checking out for tip and tricks
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KVRist
81 posts since 10 Aug, 2021

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:17 am

Would you consider the Suite version good value? I intend to try the full Suite trial but i'm curious what others think, especially about the content other than M4L. Does Ableton consider it its own thing rather than like the Reason Suite (which was a temporary bundle of extra rack devices)?

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KVRAF
5283 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:45 am

woodsdenis wrote:
Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:06 pm
https://youtu.be/COptQGA1siw worth checking out for tip and tricks
round the 9:50 mark sounds like he's rewriting Complex by Numan
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KVRAF
10711 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:00 am

machine_spirit wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:17 am
Would you consider the Suite version good value? I intend to try the full Suite trial but i'm curious what others think, especially about the content other than M4L. Does Ableton consider it its own thing rather than like the Reason Suite (which was a temporary bundle of extra rack devices)?
For me personally - sure!

For you? That depends. If you already have a lot of VSTs and your music/workflow doesn't require complex sound effects, MIDI sequencers, elaborate modulators (LFOs, MSEGs, etc.) then perhaps it's not as important and Standard will be enough.

Check how they differ and consider if you already have good replacement for missing devices, as in terms of features they're pretty much on pair:

https://www.ableton.com/en/live/compare-editions/
Stuff for sale: iZotope Music Prod. Suite 3, incl. N3 Adv, O9 Adv, Tonal Bal. Ctrl 2, RX7 Std, Vocal Synth 2, Nectar 3, R4+Nimbus. PM me :)



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KVRian
630 posts since 29 Jun, 2009

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:24 am

machine_spirit wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:17 am
Would you consider the Suite version good value?
The M4L MIDI tools and other audio effects are irreplaceable by most VST including the fact of being so well integrated in Live.

And you can find so many gems for free which compensate at some level the extra cash for the suite.
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KVRAF
31165 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:42 am

Is Suite worth it? Damn right it is.

KVRAF
3427 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:05 am

^^^ I've bought standard + max instead of the (499 instead of 599) suite so that's also an option, I've never used sampler, simpler is enough for me
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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KVRAF
31165 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:28 am

^^
Do you get Racks in standard? I use instrument & drum racks all the time. Iirc there are several other extra fx and instruments in suite.

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KVRAF
10711 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 am

xbitz wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:05 am
^^^ I've bought standard + max instead of the (499 instead of 599) suite so that's also an option, I've never used sampler, simpler is enough for me
But you're missing out on a lot of instruments, FX and audio content!
And I imagine the integration with Max isn't as smooth as it is with M4L?

All of that is IMO worth way more than $100 :)
Stuff for sale: iZotope Music Prod. Suite 3, incl. N3 Adv, O9 Adv, Tonal Bal. Ctrl 2, RX7 Std, Vocal Synth 2, Nectar 3, R4+Nimbus. PM me :)



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KVRAF
3427 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:49 am

^^^ it's M4L just scroll down to the Max for Live (second row) https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/ max ... 149EUR, dunno depend on how many VSTs do you have already, I'm just saying worth checking the mentioned https://www.ableton.com/en/live/compare-editions/ and standard+max also an option

ps. 100 EUR is a half https://parawave-audio.com/rapid_synth :D (I use the fx only version of it constantly ... )
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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KVRist
365 posts since 9 Jun, 2020

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:08 am

Suite is well worth it for me. £370 all in - free Live Lite from Splice, then a discounted upgrade path. I think it was 30pc off during the pre-BF sale last year. You can get a 20pc discount at the moment from the Live Producers Online podcast - I can't remember the code but it's in the first couple of minutes of the latest episode.

It's not so much the sounds as the extra effects and instruments which do get used. And the M4L devices are constantly entertaining and thought provoking.

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KVRAF
31165 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:08 am

Live Beta 11.0.10b3 is released

Bugfixes:
Fixed a crash that occurred if all return/delay tracks were deleted and then a track containing a take lane was duplicated and moved. Live would crash if undo was used twice after duplicating and moving the track.
Fixed a crash that occurred when deleting a track while zooming in/out of Arrangement View using a trackpad pinch gesture.
The Back to Arrangement button now appears as expected in Group Tracks.
Fixed a crash that occurred when opening a Live Set that contained a plug-in with sidechain automation/modulation that could not be loaded.
Fixed a bug that caused MIDI notes in a selected area to get deleted even if the notes themselves were not selected when pressing Delete.
The Library.cfg file in a shared Preferences folder now gets copied as expected when installing Live in a multi-user environment.
Fixed a crash that occurred in certain scenarios if two instances of Live were running at the same time.
Fixed a crash that occurred when pressing the [Space] or [Tab] key after clicking on Track Status Display in Session View if a clip in Arrangement View was being played.
Improved shared Library folder setup when installing Live in multi-user environments.
Selecting and launching multiple clips across a scene using the [Enter] key now works as expected.
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