Finally the very good news from Steinberg!!!

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KVRAF
5371 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany

Post Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:12 pm

When I deleted the Settings folder after a few months/years, Cubase suddenly started in a few seconds too ;) Whether CPU spikes or performance in general have something to do with the eLicenser? I don't know.
But in the end, the main problem is still that the license servers had massive problems when new versions were released. And that was the absolute worst case for Steinberg and a clear sign that the current system in this form will probably not have a long future.

KVRist
80 posts since 15 Oct, 2004

Post Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:48 pm

Listen at 11:49. Then see how many instances of Buchla V you can open in.. pretty much any other daw.

https://youtu.be/aViHFOD2nac?t=709

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KVRAF
7071 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:42 pm

Yeah man! S1 overall is better in performance. I just tested Arturia Buchla V (great synth, thanks for reminding me!) in both Cubase and S1, and it is slightly better in S1, but the difference is S1 is damn stable in my PC (using Presonus audio interface and of course Presonus ASIO driver, so I don't know if this is the reason, but I don't think so!).

Anyway, I'm waiting for the new system and see. Maybe the eLicenser code is to blame for such performance! Who knows! It is to be honest not bad, but the problem every time I see the performance meter dancing I feel distracted and expect a crackle soon!
Main music setup: M1 Air with Logic Pro and Live 11, MODX 6, KeyLab MK ii and some plugins.

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KVRian
999 posts since 4 Jun, 2006

Post Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:56 pm

Lerian wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:13 am
Some, ofc, don't know.
What's ofc; I assume not the Oceania Football Confederation, which was what google came up with.

KVRian
685 posts since 23 Mar, 2013

Post Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:37 pm

Will their license transfer change because of this new system or does anyone know about that yet?

KVRian
1244 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Germany

Post Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:17 pm

4damind wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:12 pm
When I deleted the Settings folder after a few months/years, Cubase suddenly started in a few seconds too ;) Whether CPU spikes or performance in general have something to do with the eLicenser? I don't know.
But in the end, the main problem is still that the license servers had massive problems when new versions were released. And that was the absolute worst case for Steinberg and a clear sign that the current system in this form will probably not have a long future.
So a company can't ensure to get their servers running 24/7 and you want them to implement a licensing system that relies on PERMANENT licence checks instead of only once during the purchase?
:help:

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KVRAF
7071 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:51 pm

rasmusklump wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:17 pm
4damind wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:12 pm
When I deleted the Settings folder after a few months/years, Cubase suddenly started in a few seconds too ;) Whether CPU spikes or performance in general have something to do with the eLicenser? I don't know.
But in the end, the main problem is still that the license servers had massive problems when new versions were released. And that was the absolute worst case for Steinberg and a clear sign that the current system in this form will probably not have a long future.
So a company can't ensure to get their servers running 24/7 and you want them to implement a licensing system that relies on PERMANENT licence checks instead of only once during the purchase?
:help:
How do you know it will be PERMANENT license checks?
Main music setup: M1 Air with Logic Pro and Live 11, MODX 6, KeyLab MK ii and some plugins.

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KVRAF
8863 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:41 am

I've found a way to make Cubase usable - and actually quite enjoyable - for me!!!

Turned out I had AI license with my audio interface, so I've upgraded it to Elements 11 for $49 and it's pretty great, as it's much less cluttered and overwhelming than the full fat Pro version and I don't think I've encountered any constraints that bother me, yet. And no dongle required, which is awesome! :)

Now I wish there was Reaper Lite or something :dog: :D
Music tech enthusiast.
DAW, VST & hardware hoarder.
My "music": https://soundcloud.com/antic604

KVRian
1244 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Germany

Post Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:15 am

EnGee wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:51 pm
rasmusklump wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:17 pm
4damind wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:12 pm
When I deleted the Settings folder after a few months/years, Cubase suddenly started in a few seconds too ;) Whether CPU spikes or performance in general have something to do with the eLicenser? I don't know.
But in the end, the main problem is still that the license servers had massive problems when new versions were released. And that was the absolute worst case for Steinberg and a clear sign that the current system in this form will probably not have a long future.
So a company can't ensure to get their servers running 24/7 and you want them to implement a licensing system that relies on PERMANENT licence checks instead of only once during the purchase?
:help:
How do you know it will be PERMANENT license checks?
One from Steinberg wrote it on their forum

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KVRAF
5371 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany

Post Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:45 am

I would also say that the plug-ins are permanently checked.
With iLok and trial licences, which then also display a message box, this seems to be only once at the start of the session, i.e. when the DAW is started, and probably also after a time X.
It could well be that it is similar with eLicenser... a "delayed" check would also make sense, that the plugins to be checked are checked one after the other, ideally in "idle mode".

KVRAF
28477 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:52 am

antic604 wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:41 am
Turned out I had AI license with my audio interface, so I've upgraded it to Elements 11 for $49
I love that they give so nice upgrade options for AI. Artist is a great update too, for 150 € only.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

KVRAF
28477 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:53 am

rasmusklump wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:15 am
One from Steinberg wrote it on their forum
I read something different. Also from a Steinberg rep. :shrug:

My guess: You misunderstood it. Would be easy to figure out, if you could post a link with the statement.

Edit: Just saw though that the "eLicenser server down" thread saw a lot of editing, and, I can't find a lot of the rep's post about the plans they have for the new system. Unless it was posted in another thread. I can't remember now.
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KVRAF
8863 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:56 am

chk071 wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:52 am
antic604 wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:41 am
Turned out I had AI license with my audio interface, so I've upgraded it to Elements 11 for $49
I love that they give so nice upgrade options for AI. Artist is a great update too, for 150 € only.
What's weird is that the upgrade from Elements (which is higher than Elements, right?) to Artist is twice that. But it also requires the eLicenser, so I'm not interested for the time being (or maybe ever).
Music tech enthusiast.
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KVRAF
28477 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:02 am

antic604 wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:56 am
chk071 wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:52 am
antic604 wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:41 am
Turned out I had AI license with my audio interface, so I've upgraded it to Elements 11 for $49
I love that they give so nice upgrade options for AI. Artist is a great update too, for 150 € only.
What's weird is that the upgrade from Elements (which is higher than Elements, right?) to Artist is twice that.
222 € here, in the Steinberg shop.

It's also cheaper than the upgrade from AI on the Steinberg shop, which is 272 €. I was talking about the price for the AI to Artist upgrade on Thomann's online shop. Sorry for the confusion.

As far as I can see, Thomann doesn't offer the Elements to Artist upgrade.
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KVRAF
7071 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:24 am

rasmusklump wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:15 am
EnGee wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:51 pm
rasmusklump wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:17 pm
4damind wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:12 pm
When I deleted the Settings folder after a few months/years, Cubase suddenly started in a few seconds too ;) Whether CPU spikes or performance in general have something to do with the eLicenser? I don't know.
But in the end, the main problem is still that the license servers had massive problems when new versions were released. And that was the absolute worst case for Steinberg and a clear sign that the current system in this form will probably not have a long future.
So a company can't ensure to get their servers running 24/7 and you want them to implement a licensing system that relies on PERMANENT licence checks instead of only once during the purchase?
:help:
How do you know it will be PERMANENT license checks?
One from Steinberg wrote it on their forum
I see. Well, let's wait and see. It might be better or worst than what we have. Till then, we can't be sure.
Main music setup: M1 Air with Logic Pro and Live 11, MODX 6, KeyLab MK ii and some plugins.

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