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KVRAF
7673 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:55 am

imrae wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:33 am
EnochLight wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:54 pm
SLiC wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:26 pm
Notation in Reason! I think you are missing the point completely. :lol:
Lol! Indeed. :lol:
I thought I agreed, but on second thoughts Props have been adding a bunch of ROMplers and sample instruments which seem equally out of place. Maybe they are trying to make Reason more appealing to composers and songwriters.
I think this more for stuff like chords and scales players, notation is a different thing and there are some really great and relatively cheap notation programs if that's your thing. I think if you read music and score in musical notation you are probably already using Sibelius, Dorico or even Notation. The built in DAW offerings are pretty weak compared to these program (I have Notation, but I must admit I don't use it often!)

I guess INTRANCER must be doing some pretty advanced stuff if he is using both the step editor and the full blow notation in a project! Personally I pick the DAW for the project, if I am doing 'electronic' pattern based music I boot up Bitwig, Live or even FL. If I am recording a band or mainly audio I boot up S1, If I am just recording a track with a few synths, guitar and vocal (my stuff, just me) I may well boot up Reason now I know how comprehensive and easy to use the sequencer is as its all I need 99% of the time!
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KVRist
488 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:09 am

This is an auto drummer I made in Reason with a few modules. The drummer will play random ghost notes along the main rhythm and every 16th bar a fill that very seldom is the same. It is probability based of course. But this illustrates what Reason is to me: Freedom!

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KVRist
467 posts since 23 Jan, 2008 from Hamburg, Germany

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:08 am

antic604 wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:45 pm
THE INTRANCER wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:02 pm
What's going to happen with the SSL Mixer ?....
Hopefully just a HD spit & polish. It's pretty much perfect - best mixer in any DAW I worked with.
I'd like to see a fold out remote control version of all the mixer knobs directly in the rack along the fader that we already have now. This way we would have bigger knobs for tweaking and it would save a lot of window hopping. This would also be nice position to add some extra metering.

KVRAF
1989 posts since 30 Dec, 2014

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:01 am

SLiC wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:55 am

I guess INTRANCER must be doing some pretty advanced stuff if he is using both the step editor and the full blow notation in a project!
It's more of a case where a step editor would play multiple roll's, but you can't have a notation editor without step-time input functionality unless you enjoy masochism.
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KVRAF
1796 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from your mom

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:15 am

Benutzername wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:08 am
antic604 wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:45 pm
Hopefully just a HD spit & polish. It's pretty much perfect - best mixer in any DAW I worked with.
I'd like to see a fold out remote control version of all the mixer knobs directly in the rack along the fader that we already have now. This way we would have bigger knobs for tweaking and it would save a lot of window hopping. This would also be nice position to add some extra metering.
One thing I do wish I could do in Reason is have the main mixer at the bottom of my screen instead of the top. Feels like it would be more natural.
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KVRist
343 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:22 am

EnochLight wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:15 am
Benutzername wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:08 am
antic604 wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:45 pm
Hopefully just a HD spit & polish. It's pretty much perfect - best mixer in any DAW I worked with.
I'd like to see a fold out remote control version of all the mixer knobs directly in the rack along the fader that we already have now. This way we would have bigger knobs for tweaking and it would save a lot of window hopping. This would also be nice position to add some extra metering.
One thing I do wish I could do in Reason is have the main mixer at the bottom of my screen instead of the top. Feels like it would be more natural.
I mean.,. If you have enough screens you could do this :lol:

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KVRAF
1796 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from your mom

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:27 am

MuzikFreq wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:22 am
I mean.,. If you have enough screens you could do this :lol:
Heheh - yeah I actually run twin monitors and usually keep the mixer on one monitor; rack and sequencer on the other. But for single displays (especially on the laptop), it would be nice to dock it at the bottom.
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KVRAF
7673 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:30 am

EnochLight wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:15 am
Benutzername wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:08 am
antic604 wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:45 pm
Hopefully just a HD spit & polish. It's pretty much perfect - best mixer in any DAW I worked with.
I'd like to see a fold out remote control version of all the mixer knobs directly in the rack along the fader that we already have now. This way we would have bigger knobs for tweaking and it would save a lot of window hopping. This would also be nice position to add some extra metering.
One thing I do wish I could do in Reason is have the main mixer at the bottom of my screen instead of the top. Feels like it would be more natural.
Yes, be nice to just drag the title bars around and relocate them, I cant see why that would be technically difficult, they are essentially just locked windows (I assume)
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KVRAF
7673 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:36 am

Another little QOL feature would being able to name audio inputs in general settings (I have 32 of them!) so that when you are in full screen sequencer mode you can see what you are selecting in audio inputs.
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KVRAF

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9334 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:06 pm

EnochLight wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:15 am
One thing I do wish I could do in Reason is have the main mixer at the bottom of my screen instead of the top. Feels like it would be more natural.
I just want this as a native option (that manual setup isn't recovered after save, is very fiddly / unstable and doesn't look consistent):

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KVRAF
21076 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:34 pm

Benutzername wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:08 am
it would save a lot of window hopping
I wonder if people use alt+tab (or however you'd do that again on OSX) with Reason... this makes switching between the three main windows (detached&maximized) basically a non-issue - it may perhaps take a moment to get used to it, but then again you are used to use tab for view-switching in the Rack already anyway.... I have the windows set up like this in my default file(s) already, so they're basically never attached here... (ewww)

KVRAF
7673 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:51 am

jens wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:34 pm
Benutzername wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:08 am
it would save a lot of window hopping
I wonder if people use alt+tab (or however you'd do that again on OSX) with Reason... this makes switching between the three main windows (detached&maximized) basically a non-issue - it may perhaps take a moment to get used to it, but then again you are used to use tab for view-switching in the Rack already anyway.... I have the windows set up like this in my default file(s) already, so they're basically never attached here... (ewww)
You can use ALT TAB but that moves through them in order so you may have to press it twice to get to what you want. There isn't really much point as the windows are already allocated to F5, F6 and F7 and will switch full screen directly (the F keys can also be mapped to a controller or mouse buttons etc)
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KVRAF
21076 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:56 am

It has an enourmous advantage as you will thanks to both muscle-memory and accessibility of the keys (those function keys are rather for you right hand, so it has to stop doing whatever it was doing and even then it requires a bit of a stretch to reach them, while the alt+tab sit perfectly to be reached quickly and comfortably for your left-hand) be able to switch much faster - also the double-switch is pretty much a non-issue. You have to keep in mind that function keys are Reason specific and much harder to develop muscle-memory for than the alt+tab, which is a generic OS function. Plus, as I mentioned before, you use the tab key already anyway in Reason to switch to the back of the rack, so all you have to do it is to add your thumb on the alt key. (I am writing this as a right-handed person though, things might be very different if you are left-handed).

Try it - you can thank me later. :razz:



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KVRAF
7673 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:51 am

jens wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:56 am
It has an enourmous advantage as you will thanks to both muscle-memory and accessibility of the keys - those function keys are rather for you right hand, so it has to stop doing whatever it was doing and even then it requires a bit of a stretch to reach them, while the alt+tab sit perfectly to be reached quickly and comfortably for your left-hand) be able to switch much faster - also the double-switch is pretty much a non-issue. You have to keep in mind that function keys are Reason specific and much harder to develop muscle-memory for than the alt+tab, which is a generic OS function. Plus, as I mentioned before, you use the tab key already anyway in Reason to switch to the back of the rack, so all you have to do it is to add your thumb on the alt key. (I am writing this as a right-handed person though, things might be very different if you are left-handed).

Try it - you can thank me later. :razz:
Its good to have options, I like the ALT TAB method but I programmed the F keys in to my gaming mouse which has 6 buttons where your thumb sits, so I can open the 3 windows, browser and spectrum one handed...I have the buttons programmed for most daws (it switches based on the program that's loaded) - normally I have then set to switch tools (pencil, cut, erase etc) and may end up going back to that with Reason...I could just use one mouse button for ALT TAB and have 5 tools -still experimenting, I also have a middle mouse button (scroll wheel click) which way work well set to ALT TAB for switching :tu:
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KVRAF
21076 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:25 pm

Ah yes, programmable mouse-buttons are certainly great too!

I have a Panorama P1 too, which I can use as well to switch windows, but tbh I barely use it... but mouse-buttons I certainly would use. After more than a decade of almost only using laptops I got so used to using keys&touchpad, that everything else tends to feel a bit cumbersome to me (touchscreen aside, which only the weaker one of my two laptops has though), but I have been eyeing these nice gaming mice for a while....

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