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WasteLand
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Post Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:52 pm

why does everybody forgets SALE prices, cubase you could get for 50%, most of the time 40% and crossgrade deals. as ableton.. bitwig... well, and there other types of discounts, or second hand,

well it is difficult to compare, but i always see the SALE price as the REAL price. and that is thé real price (supermarkets; when something is in sale, that is real price, normally you pay above the normal price, that is known fact, or known, it is a fact, i mean A products as they are called, and products of the supermarket itself, some supermarkets have a diferent approach by the way, known in europe, as aldi/lidl. perhaps a strange remark, but the SALE price is the real price. of course sometimes you buy something, not for the sale price, but i avoid it. most i have is for sale prices, the majority, only exceptions, and that were also sales, but not the bottom prices...)

well beside that, i want a simple answer, i demand it! haha!

well it goes up to €199/$199, but there will be a sale. what is the normal sale pricing strategy of Reason, will it be €139, at some point? or less?

because then you can postpone.

and of course it is bizarrreee, after the fact price goes up, way up.

but we all no Reason, posseses not the faculty of reason, but only the faculty of money. o well every businnes does.

to be forced now to buy an update, that i would buy in sale, so 30% of from €129, via jrrshop of course... because i use 3 monitors, and my eyes! eyes!

or i think, well f**k it, i stay with Reason 11 Suite, that in hindsight, in SALE, was thé bargain.
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21349 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:55 am

There'll soon have to be a price increase for Reason - to make up for all the lost sales from people (like me) who are never in a million years willing to dosh out that much... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:38 am

Kypresso wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:57 pm
HaHa, you're delusional.

Ableton is a fully functional Daw, Reason isn't.
Lmao um no - literally half of Reason users are standalone DAW users, and we get by just fine.
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WasteLand
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:01 am

EnochLight wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:38 am
Kypresso wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:57 pm
HaHa, you're delusional.

Ableton is a fully functional Daw, Reason isn't.
Lmao um no - literally half of Reason users are standalone DAW users, and we get by just fine.
always strange that Reason isn't considered as fully functional DAW, it has stuff that is better, and stuff that is missing, as in all DAW's! that is why i have 5 (or 6, yes 6... well....).
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gruberman
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:03 am

If they could fix the 'F8' abomination I would be happy.
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antic604
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:42 am

gruberman wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:03 am
If they could fix the 'F8' abomination I would be happy.
Why you consider it to be abomination? It's pretty well organised and right-click menus are already very packed in Reason.

Cubase has analog to F8 on almost every turn and I don't see a lot of people complaining about it.
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:25 am

jens wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:55 am
There'll soon have to be a price increase for Reason - to make up for all the lost sales from people (like me) who are never in a million years willing to dosh out that much... :lol: :lol: :lol:
They will live without you and they have plenty of new sales from new users like me.
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antic604
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:34 am

SLiC wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:25 am
jens wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:55 am
There'll soon have to be a price increase for Reason - to make up for all the lost sales from people (like me) who are never in a million years willing to dosh out that much... :lol: :lol: :lol:
They will live without you and they have plenty of new sales from new users like me.
Well, would you have bought 12 now if you were on 11 since day one? Instead, you got a new DAW cheaply, 16 wonderful REs for peanuts in Suite bundle and free upgrade to 12 when it drops. Your case is the definition of rose-tinted glasses due to circumstances of your entry into Reason ecosystem. I started with v10, I can only imagine how people who started 5, 10 or 15 years ago feel.

I'm not sure relying on new users is a good long-term strategy - they'll eventually become "old" users, that have been getting a pretty raw deal recently. Also I'd really like to see actual numbers RS is looking at, e.g. how do they define current users and new users? Do they include 3 months for $3? Or those that got free version via Plugin Boutique? Or those that only upgraded to v11 from much earlier version to liberate their REs to be usable in their primary DAW?
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jens
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:01 am

SLiC wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:25 am
jens wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:55 am
There'll soon have to be a price increase for Reason - to make up for all the lost sales from people (like me) who are never in a million years willing to dosh out that much... :lol: :lol: :lol:
They will live without you and they have plenty of new sales from new users like me.

We will see. So far they got far more money from me than from you. :razz:
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steff3
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591 posts since 7 Oct, 2006

Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:03 am

`Well, would you have bought 12 now if you were on 11 since day one`

this was not directed at me - but, as I updated to 10 to 11 to get free update to 12:

well, for me v11 as a no go because it did not have HiRes-UI - so, would I have updated to any version after 10 without HiRes? - No.

jens
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21349 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:08 am

Thing is: whoever got R12 for free via the recent V11 sale (which was kind of a no-brainer for potential new customers, bleak and uncertain future aside) is currently in no position to herald himself a new savior of the company. Time will tell if when R13 comes along and they ask you for another 199 stones you are then willing to put your money where your mouth is now.

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antic604
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:13 am

steff3 wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:03 am
well, for me v11 as a no go because it did not have HiRes-UI - so, would I have updated to any version after 10 without HiRes? - No.
That's a fair point, but a lot of people don't really find any value in high-res update. Based on a poll elsewhere, 50% of Reason users have 2+ screens and most of the remaining ones have desktop + monitor rather than laptop, which means they're usually 20''+ 1080p or 1440p screens where you won't get a lot of benefit running high-res assets because they're already at 100% scaling.
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Smasha
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:28 am

I hope this is fixed soon.
Loading a preset in Sampletank 4 causes this.
Other Vsti's don't have the issue.
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antic604
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:40 am

Smasha wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:28 am
I hope this is fixed soon.
Loading a preset in Sampletank 4 causes this.
Other Vsti's don't have the issue.

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I can't look at that gutted inserts section in the Mixer without almost breaking into crying... :cry:
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jens
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Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:43 am

Smasha wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:28 am
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Still haven't found out how to undock stuff then? :razz:

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