Ableton Live 11.1 - Apple Silicon support public beta now available
- KVRAF
- 2026 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA
The only peculiar thing I've noticed so far on M1 is that CPU usage relative to buffer size seems backward to how it's always been in the past. The lower I set it, the lower the CPU usage, all the way down to 32 samples.
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
The M1 is so fast, that it takes more time to fill the buffer with data than to process it
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- KVRAF
- 4798 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
Thanks! Appreciated.
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- KVRAF
- 1990 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA
Yes, same machine, Intel build then the M1 build. I do have the Bitwig demo on there, but I haven't compared it to the Intel version. I'll try that next time I'm in the office, which will be relatively soon.antic604 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:54 amYou mean 3-4% less CPU on the very same machine & same project, right?jonljacobi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:56 pm I finally got to test the M1 version and it uses less CPU playing back. However only 3 to 4% which is a lot less than I was hoping for. Boot time and disk operations seem much quicker, and it’s slightly snappier perhaps graphically but that’s about it.
Have you tried how Bitwig fares in similar comparison? I don't think I ever saw anyone compare the performance benefit of them doing the native M1 support...
They're definitely quicker, but it's a bit difficult to quantify. So far.
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- KVRist
- 254 posts since 6 Jul, 2019
Some recent ARM version VST from Cherryaudio , like PS-20 for instance, actually seem to perform worse in Bitwig 4.04 then the X64 versions, showing spikes in the CPU load. Not sure if this a Bitwig or a Cherryaudio problem. Maybe this due to configuration , still unsure. Curious to see how these will perform in AL. However, if AL will only run native VST in native mode, I will have to keep running it in Rosetta mode, I am afraid. I never used AU plugins in AL. Always use the VST versions.
- KVRAF
- 8680 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from leroyaumeuni
Ableton are galloping away form the competition, if you ask me
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wholetthedogsout wholetthedogsout https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=532467
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- 2 posts since 10 Oct, 2021
when can we assume the cpu spikes to be gone? I prefer Ableton as a production DAW, but it's nowhere near Reaper in performance when talking mixing.
- KVRAF
- 2026 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA
Unless Ableton adds a ‘Mixing Mode’ toggle it’ll probably always be at a disadvantage for mixing since Live still uses a real-time audio engine optimized for gapless live performance.wholetthedogsout wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:52 pm when can we assume the cpu spikes to be gone? I prefer Ableton as a production DAW, but it's nowhere near Reaper in performance when talking mixing.
- KVRAF
- 3889 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
Totally true, Ableton is designed for real time applications and the way in handles processing to avoid hiccups is more hungry than any other DAW.Tronam wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:04 pmUnless Ableton adds a ‘Mixing Mode’ toggle it’ll probably always be at a disadvantage for mixing since Live still uses a real-time audio engine optimized for gapless live performance.wholetthedogsout wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:52 pm when can we assume the cpu spikes to be gone? I prefer Ableton as a production DAW, but it's nowhere near Reaper in performance when talking mixing.
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
What makes you say that? They're not the first to add Apple Silicon support, nor even the best in terms of how it works (e.g. no support for mixed Intel and native VSTs).
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- KVRAF
- 11090 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
M1 aside, their rate of updates and improvements has been impressive, It's a heck of a lists from V11....
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
I get that, but this is a thread about v11.1 which - objectively - was all about the M1 compatibility. The 2 new effects and improved clip editor tabs aren't really that exciting to say that Live is "galloping away".
Also, I'm not disagreeing. Just curious what in particular prompted that statement
- KVRian
- 817 posts since 9 Jun, 2020
I'm not sure if performance has improved at all for me, but I was running with a very low buffer for a while. Certainly Fabfilter stuff seems to be eating more CPU than it did before. I might have to do a more solid comparison but was wondering if anyone else is getting this.
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- KVRist
- 312 posts since 1 Jan, 2021
11.1b4 is out, btw. https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/live-11-beta/
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- KVRAF
- 1990 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA
Just tried this. The lower the buffer size, the worse the performance. As per normal.