Ableton Live 11.1 - Apple Silicon support public beta now available

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KVRAF
1749 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:31 pm

I was expecting a more significant boost in performance. It’s not 30% faster during playback which is what they say native versus Rosetta 2 should be. Maybe half that so far and that’s being generous.

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KVRAF
1921 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:46 pm

jonljacobi wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:25 pm
Tronam wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:15 pm
The only peculiar thing I've noticed so far on M1 is that CPU usage relative to buffer size seems backward to how it's always been in the past. The lower I set it, the lower the CPU usage, all the way down to 32 samples. :nutter:
Just tried this. The lower the buffer size, the worse the performance. As per normal.
I don't have an explanation for it. I know there are still issues with drum racks right now, but when running various M1 native plugins at a 512 samples buffer size my test project uses an average 24% CPU utilization. At 32 samples it hovers around 4% and it's a relatively steady downward progression between them. Some plugins are performing better than others. For example the new Polysix v2.2.1 update is about 80% more performant compared to running under Rosetta, at least for me in Live 11.1b4 so far. Other plugins by devs like Fabfilter and Valhalla seem nearly as efficient under Rosetta as native, so it can vary a bit.
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KVRAF
31165 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:49 pm

Ableton just just released Live 11.1b4
https://www.ableton.com/de/release-notes/live-11-beta/

New features and improvements
:
Updated the Clip View display options in the View menu.
Updated Clip View info texts and warp mode info texts.
Added support for keyboard shortcuts on French keyboard layouts for macOS versions 10.14 and older. Keyboard shortcuts that have numbers can be accessed without having to press Shift to access the number keys.
When switching between panels in Clip View using the keyboard shortcuts ALT + 1/2/3, the panel header that was switched to will be selected.
If Clip View is arranged horizontally when Live is first opened and either the Audio or Notes tab is selected, the corresponding panels in both audio and MIDI clips will remain unfolded when switching to Clip View’s vertical arrangement.
The waveform displays in the Max for Live devices Envelope Follower and Shaper now appear as expected.
Updated the bundled Max build to version 8.2.0 Beta 6465d36.

KVRAF
1749 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:45 pm

Tronam wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:46 pm
jonljacobi wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:25 pm
Tronam wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:15 pm
The only peculiar thing I've noticed so far on M1 is that CPU usage relative to buffer size seems backward to how it's always been in the past. The lower I set it, the lower the CPU usage, all the way down to 32 samples. :nutter:
Just tried this. The lower the buffer size, the worse the performance. As per normal.
I don't have an explanation for it. I know there are still issues with drum racks right now, but when running various M1 native plugins at a 512 samples buffer size my test project uses an average 24% CPU utilization. At 32 samples it hovers around 4% and it's a relatively steady downward progression between them. Some plugins are performing better than others. For example the new Polysix v2.2.1 update is about 80% more performant compared to running under Rosetta, at least for me in Live 11.1b4 so far. Other plugins by devs like Fabfilter and Valhalla seem nearly as efficient under Rosetta as native, so it can vary a bit.
I hear spooky music in the background... :o I ran nothing but native Live plugins and one of their demos so I’d guess it’s plug-in related.

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KVRAF
1921 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:47 pm

That must be the difference then. I've been mostly testing with 3rd party plugins.

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KVRAF
8427 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from leroyaumeuni

Post Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:11 am

antic604 wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:56 am
spaceman wrote:
Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:50 am
Ableton are galloping away form the competition, if you ask me
What makes you say that? They're not the first to add Apple Silicon support, nor even the best in terms of how it works (e.g. no support for mixed Intel and native VSTs).
I meant Ableton Live in general
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KVRian
624 posts since 25 Jan, 2014

Post Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:31 pm

Is the beta icon purple ? If yes, I'll wait.

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KVRAF

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10742 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:21 pm

Jolaff wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:31 pm
Is the beta icon purple ? If yes, I'll wait.
:D
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KVRian
1042 posts since 14 Apr, 2008 from /* whitenoise */

Post Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:29 am

The newest beta updates also Max/MSP to 8.2 . This brings us a new object live.adsr~ / live.adsrui "These are two new objects for generating and visualizing sample-accurate Attack-Decay-Sustain-Release envelopes". Hope we can loop them from start without objects. Great to see improvements here too. I love Max4Live, just wish the crossgrade to MAX would be a bit lower in price :D Can't wait to get my hands on 11.1 as I do not beta (although I like purple) :D
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KVRAF

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10742 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:42 pm

I think Ableton will need to patch Live for new MacBook Pros, because I can't see it being usable full-screen with that "notch" :D

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KVRAF
1921 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:46 pm

antic604 wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:42 pm
I think Ableton will need to patch Live for new MacBook Pros, because I can't see it being usable full-screen with that "notch" :D


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Maybe fullscreen mode will work differently where the universal menu bar will be pushed up and the application window itself will stop beneath the notch.

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KVRAF

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10742 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:49 pm

Tronam wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:46 pm
antic604 wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:42 pm
I think Ableton will need to patch Live for new MacBook Pros, because I can't see it being usable full-screen with that "notch" :D


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Maybe fullscreen mode will work differently where the universal menu bar will be pushed up and the application window itself will stop beneath the notch.
That defeats the goal of full-screen though :)
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KVRist
127 posts since 24 Oct, 2015

Post Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:35 pm

No redesign needed, full-screen looks like this
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KVRAF
8255 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:41 pm

Dalle wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:35 pm
No redesign needed, full-screen looks like this15CEB408-0813-4CF3-A51C-99C335E07B70.jpeg
Ooh, massive Bessel…nice design Apple!
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KVRist
127 posts since 24 Oct, 2015

Post Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:58 pm

You get a bezel AND a notch. That’s innovation!

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