About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

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vurt
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Post Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:29 am

harryupbabble wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:17 am
Forgotten wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:55 am

(I would far rather have a physical book to put on the music stand on my piano).
wowee, you have a piano. and the space for it. is it a white piano?

https://youtu.be/YkgkThdzX-8
some of the keys at least...

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KVRAF
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Re: About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

Post Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:33 pm

Forgotten wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:55 am

Don’t know if the various Alfred or Hanon books are available as ebooks, but I would recommend the series of physical books (I would far rather have a physical book to put on the music stand on my piano).

Egad Hannon?
That stuff is like watching paint dry.

I love scale pattern playing. Why? because I hear those patterns throughout popular music, jazz and latin (especially bossa) But I rarely if ever hear hannon exercises in melodic content or motifs. The only things I can think of is OMD or the group Madness. Scale patterns are also especially popular in string scores and shredding keyboard (jordan rudess types) and guitar shredding. They are present almost everywhere to a greater or lesser degree.

Most early hannon is simply getting smooth lateral movement and octaves from a keybed. Hannon really doesn't apply to guitar or most stringed instruments.

Hannon doesn't teach an essential foundation that has been the prevalent driving force in popular music for over a hundred years now.

The heart of Rock and Roll is the?

tapper mike
KVRAF
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Re: About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

Post Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:07 pm

The heart of Rock and Roll is the beat.
Same with Blues, Swing (It don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing) Jazz, funk, latin, reggae, disco, hip hop, gospel, soul, techno, edm, k-pop and more.

Each have their own unique styles based on "The Beat" for that style. Time signatures, accents straight or lazy 8's or 16ths or triplets rests pickup notes, ties. effective use of pushing and dragging, rubato, free time.

If you really want to play music first decide on what type of music you want to play. The STYLE of music you like. Each style had some foundations on the beat that are the foundation of that style. Focus on something you WANT TO PLAY as opposed to something you think you HAVE TO PLAY. Listen to THE BEAT first. Try to tap, clap, snap or stomp it out.

Personally I'm opposed to metronomes. Metronomes give undue attention to the first beat and don't provide accents. where needed. Simple straight forward unobtrusive drum patterns give a better "feel" for popular music. It's the feel of the beat that matters most. You want to be able to carry the beat. Too much orchestration or complicated rhythms behind you can bury your performance and hide your timing issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEbUNDW9bDA&t=186s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIfD7ZN5FYI

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KVRian
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Re: About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

Post Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:38 pm

Forgotten wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:55 am
Don’t know if the various Alfred or Hanon books are available as ebooks, but I would recommend the series of physical books (I would far rather have a physical book to put on the music stand on my piano).
msf sadib wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:51 am
I'm from Bangladesh.and I don't think I would find :( that sort of physical book in country :( .Any other suggestion?
https://www.hanon-online.com/all-piano-exercises/

Download as pdf for free and print out

orpheux
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11 posts since 28 Oct, 2019 from Sweden

Re: About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

Post Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:54 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:02 am
Well, for EDM rhytms there is 4/4 "four to the floor" to drive the track, and there are euclidean rhytms. Can't go wrong with these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1z5hTJoqE

So I followed this tutorial, dropped some 9/16 and 5/16 sequences and here is the resulting track:

https://open.spotify.com/track/2gE5VZ8mBeO9FinUMxLISl

African drums are 16/16 patterns from NI West Africa, with some edits.
Very useful. Thanks.

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jancivil
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Re: About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

Post Thu May 21, 2020 3:16 pm

A good way to start with poly- or cross-rhythm is compound time, ie., a nominator w. the product of 2 x 3. EG: 6/8; vs 3/4. Compound time is generally thought of as a two pulse, but in eg., 6/8 you have 3 quarters as well as 2 dotted quarters, a 3:2. So 4 dotted 8ths in 6/8 is also known as 4:6 (4 in the time of 6), 4 dotted 16ths is 8:6... Et cetera.
(This is called Hemiola, in case anyone would like a search term)

I have to caution taking the NI W. Africa product as any exemplar of African rhythm. Frankly that focus on 16 rather than 12 is a bit of a plot hole.
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KVRian
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Re: About Learning time signatures & rhythm pattern for noobs

Post Thu May 21, 2020 10:04 pm

jancivil wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 3:16 pm
(This is called Hemiola, in case anyone would like a search term)
I did, and it was interesting, cheers.

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