What are good modes/scales for writing dark heavy electronic srtuff?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
Hello!
Could anyone recommend some modes or scales to use for dark, fast and heavy edm?
I've been mostly doing it by ear, but I'd like to be able to use some theory so I can add leads and melodies, etc. And know that they will work.
When I use scales my tunes tend to end up sounding a wee bit 'nice', which never happens when I'm playing the guitar.
Thanks in advance,
Rob.
Could anyone recommend some modes or scales to use for dark, fast and heavy edm?
I've been mostly doing it by ear, but I'd like to be able to use some theory so I can add leads and melodies, etc. And know that they will work.
When I use scales my tunes tend to end up sounding a wee bit 'nice', which never happens when I'm playing the guitar.
Thanks in advance,
Rob.
I will take the Lord's name in vain, whenever I want. Hail Satan! And his little goblins too.
- KVRAF
- 1643 posts since 8 Feb, 2013 from Switzerland
You can try Phrygian (3rd mode Ionian System) or Spanish-Phrygian (5th mode Harmonic Minor) vamps.
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- KVRAF
- 2625 posts since 2 Jun, 2016
B Major or F sharp major are as dark as you can get on a piano.
Though if you want to do evil shit, stick to the Devil's intervals...
Though if you want to do evil shit, stick to the Devil's intervals...
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- KVRian
- 913 posts since 9 Aug, 2018
There are many other options, most of them more exotic, but for the stated purpose precisely, I would recommend trying Phrygian first, absolutely.
Flat 9, flat 3, flat 6, flat 7. But you still have the perfect 4th and 5th, which you would still want, I expect. Of course, you totally can step outside a default scale/mode now and then, but yeah, I think Phrygian has what you need.
Flat 9, flat 3, flat 6, flat 7. But you still have the perfect 4th and 5th, which you would still want, I expect. Of course, you totally can step outside a default scale/mode now and then, but yeah, I think Phrygian has what you need.
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
dark water wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:02 pm B Major or F sharp major are as dark as you can get on a piano.
Though if you want to do evil shit, stick to the Devil's intervals...
Fernando (FMR)
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Flat 9?kvotchin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:21 pm There are many other options, most of them more exotic, but for the stated purpose precisely, I would recommend trying Phrygian first, absolutely.
Flat 9, flat 3, flat 6, flat 7. But you still have the perfect 4th and 5th, which you would still want, I expect. Of course, you totally can step outside a default scale/mode now and then, but yeah, I think Phrygian has what you need.
Fernando (FMR)
- KVRAF
- 11001 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere
Yeah, that's not going to sound too dark in Phrygian mode...fmr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:57 pmFlat 9?kvotchin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:21 pm There are many other options, most of them more exotic, but for the stated purpose precisely, I would recommend trying Phrygian first, absolutely.
Flat 9, flat 3, flat 6, flat 7. But you still have the perfect 4th and 5th, which you would still want, I expect. Of course, you totally can step outside a default scale/mode now and then, but yeah, I think Phrygian has what you need.
- KVRAF
- 11001 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Yeah, that's what I meant. The ii degree in the mode of E is a semitone higher than the I degree. If you "flatten" (lower) the ii, it will be the same as the I. It's the problem of using confusing nomenclatures. What you wanted to say is that the ii degree in the Mode of E is just a half-tone away form the I degree, something no other mode presents. But it's not "flattened". It's the way it is, naturally. You don't have to "flatten" anything.
Fernando (FMR)
- KVRAF
- 11001 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere
Right, so in E the 9th is F, so flatten it and it becomes E an octave above the root E.fmr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:57 pmYeah, that's what I meant. The ii degree in the mode of E is a semitone higher than the I degree. If you "flatten" (lower) the ii, it will be the same as the I. It's the problem of using confusing nomenclatures. What you wanted to say is that the ii degree in the Mode of E is just a half-tone away form the I degree, something no other mode presents. But it's not "flattened". It's the way it is, naturally. You don't have to "flatten" anything.
But it's not really flat in Phrygian, it's only flat if you compare it to say, Ionian.
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
There is no "flat 9" in Ionian (actually, there is no Ionian, but that's another topic). To have a "flat 9" in C, you'd have to alter the original mode. If the alteration was simply a chromaticism (not structural) it would have no meaning in terms of the harmony, therefore no "flat 9", as the note would not have a chordal meaning. If the alteration had a structural meaning, it would mean we would be modulating (changing mode, which is the original meaning of the word, BTW).
Fernando (FMR)
- KVRAF
- 11001 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere
No there isn't (major if you prefer that to Ionian) - I mean if you take the 9th note in a Phrygian mode, it would be the same note as the 9th note in a major scale if it were flatted.
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- KVRian
- 913 posts since 9 Aug, 2018
Good grief.
Phrygian certainly does have a flat 9th, relative to the major scale’s, which is typically what modes and scales are related back to, in this way.
Not sure if you are being disingenuous, or you seriously don’t understand what I’m saying.
By the way, I have studied music theory to a fair extent in my time, so yeah, this isn’t just some random opinion or whatever.
Phrygian certainly does have a flat 9th, relative to the major scale’s, which is typically what modes and scales are related back to, in this way.
Not sure if you are being disingenuous, or you seriously don’t understand what I’m saying.
By the way, I have studied music theory to a fair extent in my time, so yeah, this isn’t just some random opinion or whatever.