Scales - do you change or can you change the scale midsong?

Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
ValliSoftware
KVRist
241 posts since 11 May, 2014

Post Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:13 am

teacue wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:54 am
Caine123 wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:24 pm If you do chord progressions are these in the same scale still or do they change the scale?
Sometimes they change the scale (tonality).
This piece is an example of a constantly change of tonality (or scale)
Simple départ

The theme consist of 16 bars with 8 chords, each chord going over 2 bars.
Each chord has its own tonality:
F#6 - F# major scale
Fmaj7 - F major scale
E9 sus4 - E mixolydisch
C#9 sus4 - C# mixolydisch
Cmin 9 - C dorian
A (add9) - A major
C9 (#11 no3) - C lydian
Bb9 (#11) - Bb whole tone scale

As I wrote this theme, a long time ago, I just followed what I heard in my head and I was not trying to constantly change the tonality.
So I ran those chords thru my setup and while I have a ton of session players to choose from (Apple Loops), I would spend hours to find not the right combination but many right combinations.
I used an outside session player (non-Apple Loop) and modified it from the original software generated after I MIDI recorded it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_M6MgE79XA

So the idea of using Green Apple Loops as session players actually came from watching Steely Dan ~ Aja ~ Classic Albums Documentary

ValliSoftware
KVRist
241 posts since 11 May, 2014

Post Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:14 am

N__K wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:07 am
ValliSoftware wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:53 pm Question, doesn't Reaper have scripting as well.
It does, and possibilities are extensive - literally. If you're into programming, REAPER can be quite a playground :)

Personally I'm not a skilled programmer, and while my REAPER workflows already depend on my own scripts to some extent, I'm not yet very good at applying scripting to algorithmic composition.
I might take a look at that then. :D

teacue
KVRian
638 posts since 22 Jun, 2003 from Germany

Post Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:06 am

ValliSoftware wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:13 am
teacue wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:54 am
Caine123 wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:24 pm If you do chord progressions are these in the same scale still or do they change the scale?
Sometimes they change the scale (tonality).
This piece is an example of a constantly change of tonality (or scale)
Simple départ

The theme consist of 16 bars with 8 chords, each chord going over 2 bars.
Each chord has its own tonality:
F#6 - F# major scale
Fmaj7 - F major scale
E9 sus4 - E mixolydisch
C#9 sus4 - C# mixolydisch
Cmin 9 - C dorian
A (add9) - A major
C9 (#11 no3) - C lydian
Bb9 (#11) - Bb whole tone scale

As I wrote this theme, a long time ago, I just followed what I heard in my head and I was not trying to constantly change the tonality.
So I ran those chords thru my setup and while I have a ton of session players to choose from (Apple Loops), I would spend hours to find not the right combination but many right combinations.
I used an outside session player (non-Apple Loop) and modified it from the original software generated after I MIDI recorded it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_M6MgE79XA

So the idea of using Green Apple Loops as session players actually came from watching Steely Dan ~ Aja ~ Classic Albums Documentary
Interesting ;)
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ValliSoftware
KVRist
241 posts since 11 May, 2014

Post Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:51 am

teacue wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:06 am Interesting ;)
Now wait.
Suppose you like how a pianist performed a song a certian way, meaning, they played with intense feeling.
How about taking that performance and apply a new chord progression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70OzubTBQfY

Keep in mind, this is finished once you decide it's finish, after making further MIDI changes.

inkstone
KVRer
28 posts since 17 Sep, 2021

Post Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:42 am

Caine123 wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:24 pm
If you do chord progressions are these in the same scale still or do they change the scale?

That's a very good question as a lot of music, parciularly recent music do not change much. But you can have, for example in baroque fugues, the melody "changing scale" or modulating from after a few notes only, before the answer is given ! So do not hesitate ! It's fun !

jancivil
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23958 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville

Post Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:25 pm

donkey tugger wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:15 am
jancivil wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:13 am This is brilliant: https://youtu.be/OxO4nODCGD0
story of how the piccolo trumpet solo in Penny Lane came to be
£27! Still, probably a weeks wages in th'old days..
Hmmmm. I didn't have a job before 1972, child labor laws and that (actually I did work for whatever pocket money I had since around age 8 and it wasn't always real light work). $2.25 an hour. You won't be far wrong.

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BertKoor
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13636 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland

Post Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:24 am

donkey tugger wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:15 am
jancivil wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:13 am This is brilliant: https://youtu.be/OxO4nODCGD0
story of how the piccolo trumpet solo in Penny Lane came to be
£27! Still, probably a weeks wages in th'old days..
£27 10/- from 1967 is today worth about £424.
https://www.inflationtool.com/british-p ... ?amount=27
Indeed about a weeks (minimal) wages. Not bad for a morning session.
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