Could someone please explain anti-loop snobbery?

[dirty oscillators]

if someone asks me why I do not like dogs, I just say it.

we've asked you why you don't like dogs three times now and you haven't answered the question!!

[Mac of BIOnighT]

Somebody else already explained that! I don't like dogs for the same reason why I don't like loops: they're dumb and slobbery.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

because when Mac of BIOnighT was a post man he got terrorized by a snappy little poodle which ripped his summer post man shorts and he got fired! how could you not know that people?

Then it dawned on me....

The real reason has been staring me in the face from the off: a certain love for a white kitty cradling james bond villain:



LoopTheLoop

[Mac of BIOnighT]

Hey, wait! I'm not a bond fan, but that cat is awesome, I want it!
(and just how did you find out about the postman thing anyway? I thought nobody knew! Although it's not entirely correct: I was working as a postman and one day I was bitten by a loop... )

[debra1rlo]

"There, now poor Flopsy is dead and never called me mother."

[Dean Aka Nekro]

debra1rlo & Mac of BIOnighT - Both two funny (i think i better call it a night as my £20 bag is nearly empty! and im gone guys (got giggles and need food!)

Laters folks

Dean

[Mac of BIOnighT]

Bedtime for me, too - almost 5.00 am here
Goodnight!

[herodotus]

Anyway, my main point is: why the heck do all loopers need to come up with threads like "Why do you look down on us"? I mean, I never thought - and never will think, probably - of coming up with a thread called "Why don't you like improvisation on sequences in the Berlin School vein", and the reason why I wouldn't is that people who don't like that kind of stuff would tell me why they don't.
Loopers, in the other hand, seem to have this irritating martyr-like thing about wanting people to tell them why they don't like loops, and then play the poor, misunderstood victims when people tell them.
If you don't want to now why people don't like what you do, just don't ask.
I don't want to know, so I don't ask.
Pretty simple, uh?

Do you want to know the plain, unvarnished, ugly truth?

Here it is: this thread wasn't started by a looper. It was started by me, and I don't use loops, I make and sell them.

In fact I have never once used anyone else's loops, or any samples from anyones music but our own in my own music or in my band's music (well, I use sound effects from the Freesound project).

So I guess you could say that from my standpoint, anti-loop snobbery is bad for business.

More than that, I find it odd that people who believe in 'real music' made by 'real musicians' are against one of the few solid earning opportunities available to said musicians: selling loops of their own playing.

[The Chase]

I think those who suggest loop users aren't as good as the from-scratchers do so because to accept otherwise threatens the validity/importance of their skills they've invested so much weight in. "Well if that's all it takes, anyone could make music! What I do takes so much more effort and of course is better." Yeah, sure, whatever.

When I sold at guitar center, a great deal of my customers consensually thought that the wankiest of guitar music was seriously the apex of all musical composition. They actually thought that Van Halen was the best music ever made, and their logic is that no one can play guitar exactly like Van Halen, and therefore not as good, and therefore any other music is not as good.

They had it hardset in their minds that the more work went into the music, the better it is on an objective scale. Odd bunch of folk.

[advaya]

They had it hardset in their minds that the more work went into the music, the better it is on an objective scale.

And then along came Vai's Passion and Warfare, which effectively trashed that hypothesis in every possible way.

[Mac of BIOnighT]

It was started by me, and I don't use loops, I make and sell them.

I don't see the difference. You sure make and sell loops for those who like that particular technique and use it because they think it is good, not for people like me. So, why on earth should you start a thread like this one where those against loops are asked to express their thoughts (and maybe convince some of your potential customers in the process), especially considering that I - for example - would never start a thread against loops????

So I guess you could say that from my standpoint, anti-loop snobbery is bad for business.

No, it's threads like this that are bad for business

[androidlove]

really, telling someone to not use loops and make their own music doesn't magically give them the time and talent. some ppl have deadlines to meet. music is everywhere and a lot of times in the background

[Mac of BIOnighT]

really, telling someone to not use loops and make their own music doesn't magically give them the time and talent. some ppl have deadlines to meet. music is everywhere and a lot of times in the background

Precisely one of the reasons why I hate loops. Maybe without them we would be forced to put up with a lot less crap all the time and get to the point of hating music that haunts horribly every second of every day, whether we like it or not. Maybe if only people with time and talent made music, it wouldn't be so very unnerving to go into stores, supermarkets, bars, etc.
Maybe music would have become a bit less of a whore, which it is today.

[herodotus]

It was started by me, and I don't use loops, I make and sell them.

I don't see the difference. You sure make and sell loops for those who like that particular technique and use it because they think it is good, not for people like me. So, why on earth should you start a thread like this one where those against loops are asked to express their thoughts (and maybe convince some of your potential customers in the process), especially considering that I - for example - would never start a thread against loops????

So I guess you could say that from my standpoint, anti-loop snobbery is bad for business.

No, it's threads like this that are bad for business

Well, yeah, but I was actually looking to understand. When I started this thread I didn't know that making drum beats with drum machines was somehow more dignified in peoples minds than using loops. The culture I grew up in had a very different view of these things. It is a counterintuitive belief system from my point of view.

[whyterabbyt]

Precisely one of the reasons why I hate loops. Maybe without them we would be forced to put up with a lot less crap all the time and get to the point of hating music that haunts horribly every second of every day, whether we like it or not. Maybe if only people with time and talent made music, it wouldn't be so very unnerving to go into stores, supermarkets, bars, etc.
Maybe music would have become a bit less of a whore, which it is today.

yay for cultural fascism!