Could someone please explain anti-loop snobbery?

[vurt]

Precisely one of the reasons why I hate loops.

actual hate?
do you really think that loops (or indeed any music related items) are deserving of such an emotion?

[buscemi]

Precisely one of the reasons why I hate loops.

actual hate?
do you really think that loops (or indeed any music related items) are deserving of such an emotion?

Until only the talented elite few make music, yes. Until then, go kick all the "dumb and slobbery" looped dogs you can find.

[DWb]

Because obviously completely impossible that someone talented could make a great piece of music that uses a loop for one of its elements.

[dan_s]

again this is another example where people are purposely limiting themselves for arbitrary reasons. its their loss.

[Liquidclear]

So what about using built in accompaniment styles and rhythms from a Casio or Yamaha home keyboard? Or presets from a groovebox?

[dirty oscillators]

So what about using built in accompaniment styles and rhythms from a Casio or Yamaha home keyboard?

amateur!!

[dirty oscillators]

you know really, if someone is against the use of digital audio "loops" in the production of music because (in their mind) they are part of the elite or whatever, then taking things further - they should be against using sequencers, MIDI, and computers altogether to make music. so why the hell are they even on KVR??? kind of a double standard in my opinion...

[Liquidclear]

So if I use loops (from a commercial CD) I can produce professional results (If I've got the skills)?

[DWb]

So what about using built in accompaniment styles and rhythms from a Casio or Yamaha home keyboard? Or presets from a groovebox?

Or just using a really cliched beat anyway? I mean, it's not like you could tell if a lot of techno producers or indie bands had got their basic beats ("boom tss boom tss boom tss boom tss" and "boom tak tikka boom boom tak" respectively) from a sample pack or created them themselves...

[Liquidclear]

I think I'll just make my own fresh beatz using Babya's new One Ping Only Pro DLX (09 tribute edition), this plugin, Xhip, and Poly-Ana (using host default gui).

[whiteanxiety]

Precisely one of the reasons why I hate loops.

actual hate?
do you really think that loops (or indeed any music related items) are deserving of such an emotion?

When a person type "I hate loops" or "I hate this thing blah blah"

it doesn't neccessarily mean that he or she is REALLY feeling that emotion.

The way vurt describes it here makes it sound like the guy was hating loops like one hates an ex-wife after a huge fight.

I don't really think he was emotional about it at all. I think it was just a sentence he typed on a forum, without much emotional attachment.

It's difficult to tell really, how serious another person is just from reading something he/she types.

[dirty oscillators]

it's just a means to an end. if the music is awful you can't necessarily blame the palette or the instruments... but you can blame the person behind the the production and performance for lack of artistry or creative flair. IMO it has nothing to do with whether you use loops in Ableton Live, you use racks of Doepfer step sequencers, you play your notes into Logic and then edit the hell out of them, or you only play acoustic instruments and record them all in one take. it's more important *how* you use something than *what* you use in some cases.

[Clint Swank]

This topic actually has a very complex cultural backdrop that, had I the time, I could probably write a book about.

One of the most fascinating aspects of the question has to do with the relationship of artist and audience. Anyone who has spent much time developing a skill is aware that displaying that skill does not evoke admiration, necessarily. Just as frequently the result is envy, jealousy, criticism, or, most frequently simply being pointedly ignored. Amplifiers exist, in part, so that musicians have the capacity to drown out audiences who prefer the sound of their own voices to that of even the most talented singer.

Loops are the result of the desire of the untalented to prove that the accomplishments of those who strive to excell are worthless. Hey, you're not so great--I can just push a button and do the same thing. Or, as they put it on "Weekend Update" that new scratch-hero game is for "kids who are too lazy to learn how to play fake guitar."

Just as rappers are anti-singers, loopers are anti-drummers. And it's not as though you even need a physical skill to create a good groove. Sequencing means you can create anything you can think. As long as you're not too lazy to think, of course.

[buscemi]

Anyone who has spent much time developing a skill is aware that displaying that skill does not evoke admiration, necessarily. Just as frequently the result is envy, jealousy, criticism, or, most frequently simply being pointedly ignored.

Flip that around, and you get purists who exhibit these same emotions when someone who they look down on is able to better connect with their audience even though they use so-called artificial means that supposedly require no talent.

[dirty oscillators]

Loops are the result of the desire of the untalented to prove that the accomplishments of those who strive to excell are worthless.

what? no they aren't. and furthermore, there are plenty of musicians who can play instruments *and* who use loops.

(good luck with your book )