a simple bass->mono tool?

[glasgene]

http://www.kvraudio.com/db/stereooerets_by_ddmf

For me this is the business ! Spatial and to a point tone control. and it is very simple to use!

[highkoo]

Nugen's Monofilter is very good, but unfortunately it crashes my current host (Tracktion 3).

It seemed ok for me, until you hit that HQ button, and then shit goes haywire. It crashes, the gui gets jumpy, and it slams the cpu around really bad. That button gets clicked directly before render. But maybe thats the idea? Ive seen no troubles with it in 'regular' mode.
Although it has all the features, its prolly fair to say its a bit pricey.

[A.M. Gold]

Are you on T3 too?

My issue was it would just cause T3 to close to desktop whenever an instance of any of their Steero Tools was unloaded, either by deleting it or by switching to a new project that didn't use one of the plug-ins. Nugen confirmed this bug but couldn't figure out what was causing it.

[highkoo]

Nope.
The HQ madness was in FL and Live.

Thats pretty weird it crashes when UN-loading. That sounds like something a home-made KVR special might do.
Have not seen this crash the host I dont think. I wouldnt say I use this thing every day either...

[A.M. Gold]

Yea, it's weird and the Stereo Pack plug-ins did it every time. Nugen were pretty responsive but they needed to talk to someone who understood Tracktion internally and they only got an echo back from Mackie (who have effectively dropped Tracktion though they still sell it ).

I'm moving on soon anyway since the last Tracktion update was three years ago and it will only use two processor cores and less than 2 gigs of memory.

I tried Reaper but it didn't tickle me silly so I think I'll try Sonar X1, then go x64 after I switch hosts. I've got Win 7 sitting in the box waiting for me to get around to it. As a result, I'm trying to move beyond relying on any SE plug-ins.

[daz.diamond]

simple.

http://www.roughdiamondproductions.com/ ... ?r=monoLOW

[Music Engineer]

You could do it with a two band crossover, though. Have everything going above the cutoff stay stereo and feed the signal below the crossover point go through the mono-izer. rs-met has a good free x-over.

while this would work, i think it's preferable to use mid/side EQing instead, because the crossover-approach will introduce additional allpass-filtering when recombining the (linkwitz/riley) splitted bands.

[mystran]

You could do it with a two band crossover, though. Have everything going above the cutoff stay stereo and feed the signal below the crossover point go through the mono-izer. rs-met has a good free x-over.

while this would work, i think it's preferable to use mid/side EQing instead, because the crossover-approach will introduce additional allpass-filtering when recombining the (linkwitz/riley) splitted bands.

On the other hand, this additional all-pass filtering will keep the mid/side channels in phase in the transition band, no?

[dark_virus]

To address the point that you should just run all your bass tracks full mono, I don't really agree necessarily---bass instruments have frequency content over a fairly wide range unless you are just talking about a very subby synth.

You may want to keep the upper freq range stereo on a bass instrument and mono only the content say, below 100 Hz. Some people don't care about this technique, but it's one reason why I like the variable cutoff on Basslane, and you can also add a hint of stereo spread below the cutoff if you think that sounds better.

Yes, I 100% agree. Some people takes this "bass must be mono" dogma too seriously. Sometimes we have that nice stereo moogish bassline, and it's a crime to turn it full mono. Basslane comes in hand, because we can define which freq will be the threshold so the plugin will make only the freqs below this threshold to mono.

I've put a delay on the upper freqs of a bassline with great results, while the low freqs remained mono thanks to Basslane. I don't think it will blow any club PA.

[Dr.Gunjah]

maybe a dumb question: what exactly do these plugins?
Just cut the side signal below the frequency?

[Music Engineer]

On the other hand, this additional all-pass filtering will keep the mid/side channels in phase in the transition band, no?

i'm not sure if i get the question right, but left and right are filtered by the same allpass filter which implies that mid and side will also be filtered by the same allpass filter - so they are not dephased with respect to one another. they are dephased only with respect to the original signal.

[grymmjack]

Yea, it's weird and the Stereo Pack plug-ins did it every time. Nugen were pretty responsive but they needed to talk to someone who understood Tracktion internally and they only got an echo back from Mackie (who have effectively dropped Tracktion though they still sell it ).

I'm moving on soon anyway since the last Tracktion update was three years ago and it will only use two processor cores and less than 2 gigs of memory.

I tried Reaper but it didn't tickle me silly so I think I'll try Sonar X1, then go x64 after I switch hosts. I've got Win 7 sitting in the box waiting for me to get around to it. As a result, I'm trying to move beyond relying on any SE plug-ins.

If you liked T3, try Studio One.

[mystran]

On the other hand, this additional all-pass filtering will keep the mid/side channels in phase in the transition band, no?

i'm not sure if i get the question right, but left and right are filtered by the same allpass filter which implies that mid and side will also be filtered by the same allpass filter - so they are not dephased with respect to one another. they are dephased only with respect to the original signal.

Yeah, but does this happen if you just rotate the stereo channels to mid-side format, then proceed to filter the side-channel only with a minimum-phase filter? In this case you have some phase-shift present only in the side-channel? I would imagine you would avoid this by using a flat cross over so we can simply attenuate (which is linear phase) one of the signals, no? Or do you get the same result either way anyway?

[APHELEON s.a.]

Should you still mono the lows in the mix/production phase even if you will be playing on a p.a. system that has a xover>mono subs?

[brok landers]

haven't read the thread, but i always highpass the side signal with a mid/side eq. that way you don't alter the crossover band in the frequency spectrum.