KVR Audio

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:44 pm

Kimru was great until blue arp came out. Here is why:

I don't think so. Here is why :

For instance :
- Does BlueArp feature per-step DIV ? I don't think so ;
- Does BlueArp feature per-step LENGHT ? I don't think so ;
- Does BlueArp feature per-step ACCENT ? I don't think so ;
- Does BlueArp feature per-step GATE? I don't think so ;
- Does BlueArp feature per-step CC lanes ? I don't think so ;

graywolf2004 · Post by **graywolf2004** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:51 pm

echodvm wrote:One question. I notice that the parameters in the left pane don't seem to be visible to the host as automation targets (in Ableton Live at least). Would it be possible to expose those parameters to the host so they can be automated via an external controller?

Yes, I came to the same conclusion - is some performances I'd like to automate at least gate param. So it's in my ToDo list.

graywolf2004 · Post by **graywolf2004** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:58 pm

sinkmusic wrote:
Kimru was great until blue arp came out. Here is why:
I don't think so. Here is why :
For instance :
- Does BlueArp feature per-step DIV ? I don't think so ;
- Does BlueArp feature per-step LENGHT ? I don't think so ;
- Does BlueArp feature per-step ACCENT ? I don't think so ;
- Does BlueArp feature per-step GATE? I don't think so ;
- Does BlueArp feature per-step CC lanes ? I don't think so ;

I don't want to overcome Kirnu (Catanya, TimeCore, etc.) in features, and I'm not into this type of competition. I have my own idea about the perfect pattern arp for electronic music (which is based on my experience) and I'm implemetning it in BlueARP.
Kirnu and BlueARP are different and potentially can be used together, the only thing Kirnu lacks in current version is input keyboard range.

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:06 pm

graywolf2004 wrote:I don't want to overcome Kirnu (Catanya, TimeCore, etc.) in features, and I'm not into this type of competition. I have my own idea about the perfect pattern arp for electronic music (which is based on my experience) and I'm implemetning it in BlueARP.
Kirnu and BlueARP are different and potentially can be used together, the only thing Kirnu lacks in current version is input keyboard range.

Hi, Graywolf.
I'm sorry, ididn't want to hijack the thread and put it on a useless competition. I just thought the poster's tone was a bit harsh, and wanted to show that Kirnu and BlueArp are two different arps.
Kirnu is good, and so is yours. Both can live happily together

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:08 pm

Actually, if you put them in the same folder they will fight to the death.

animaniac3k · Post by **animaniac3k** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:01 pm

"The tone was a bit harsh". Ok, don't get too excited. It's only my personal opinion. Kirnu is great, I use it a lot. More than Bluarp but for my needs it misses some significant functionality (mentioned earlier). So for me personally, it doesn't matter if it has all these amazing things that I could use if I can't apply them to the actual patterns I have in my mind.

I imagine that adding more steps to the custom pattern setting in Kirnu is straight forward so lets hope that version 2 gives us that.

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:03 pm

Great arp, thanks for this.

(nice video too)

graywolf2004 · Post by **graywolf2004** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:13 pm

animaniac3k wrote:So for me personally, it doesn't matter if it has all these amazing things that I could use if I can't apply them to the actual patterns I have in my mind.

This is what I always looked for in software standalone arps and couldn't find. I couldn't find it in Kirnu (just some elements). While in hardware I found it in several synths. Kirnu is good in it's domain - as a traditional arp, extended with pattern elements (note division, CC's per step, gate per step). BlueARP is good in it's domain (I hope

) - as a pure pattern arp with some additional things like missing key substitution.
According to my plan BlueARP will stay a pattern arp, not more. Maybe I'll extend it with 'extra' things like root key detection, but it won't have features like randomization or up\down modes.

PS. Well, OK, I'm glad that the discussion is on constructive way

This weekend I got new MIDI kb and I spent half of the day playing (it's so nice to have a lot of knobs and sliders). My current music making path is to combine real-time controls, FL Studio performance mode and BlueARP. Hope to make another demo in a couple of weeks.

As for BlueARP, top items in my ToDo list are:
1. Finish patch load\save
2. Enable control automation
3. Implement bank load\save
I'll be quite excited if people here will share some of their patches and it will be possible to create a 'factory' bank from them.

Deist · Post by **Deist** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:28 pm

@Graywolf: Thank u for your precisions about how BlueARP and Kirnu differs. I prolly wouldn't have posted my question if I had watched your demo vid, which I didn't not out of disregard for you or your work (any freeware developer deserves my full consideration by all means!!) but because of a plain lame matter of time (in my present situation there's just no workaround for that).
At any rate I thought easiest to ask you directly, get the infos from the source you know, and I truly hope you didn't get my asking wrong cause it sure wasn't my intention. As it is, it so appears I will actually have use for BlueARP and am looking forward to its official release! I thus owe you for your time and dedication developping this and freely sharing it with us all, bless you man!
(NB: Hope ReNoise will be supported! I'm a proud user)

@animaniac3k: No worries man. Although admittedly your tone _was_ a bit harsh at first (judging by your comment to my post pasted in Sinkmusic's reply. Thanks for having edited it out anyway!

), but I'm not one to feel under attack at the slightest irritated comment in forums, fortunately, hahaha! As you can read above, I had good reasons for asking my question, am just sorry if it may have falsely seemed like I was trying to use irony.

@Sinkmusic: Glad you took my question for what it really was and put it clearer than I had! Thx!

Bantram · Post by **Bantram** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:13 am

Hello,

FL Studio 10 did not find the Plugin when i let search.

Please help me

Did it only work on 32bit Windows? Because i have Win 7 64 bit.

Im so happy after seen the demo video about THIS GREAT PLUG!

greez from Germany. And THANK YOU

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:02 am

Bantram, wasn't there a 64 bit download as well?

graywolf2004 · Post by **graywolf2004** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:43 am

Crackbaby
Nope, it's 32bit VST only. 64bit VST ans MAC version are in too distant plans for now.
Bantram
It SHOULD work, I have Win7 x64 + FL Studio 10 myself und es arbeitet

.
PS. You can PM me with the details.

Bantram · Post by **Bantram** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:55 am

It works NOW!!

animaniac3k · Post by **animaniac3k** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:12 pm

Graywolf,

Last night it came to me at 05.00 in the morning. What if, in blue arp, you could enter the patterrn both with the mouse, as well as...by playing it. I mean this would save some time. I imagine there should be some quantization on record but that should be it.

What do you think?

graywolf2004 · Post by **graywolf2004** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:18 am

animaniac3k wrote:Graywolf,
Last night it came to me at 05.00 in the morning. What if, in blue arp, you could enter the patterrn both with the mouse, as well as...by playing it. I mean this would save some time. I imagine there should be some quantization on record but that should be it.
What do you think?

Well, it may sound good, but not sure it will work good. It would be must-have for a MIDI looper tool or more advanced tool like Zyklus Improvisor (which for sure has real-time recording). One corcern - how many people can play 16th notes arpeggio real-time? I can't. Another concern - how to interpret incoming notes? Say I play C4 - C5 - C5 - C4. Did I mean 1-key arpeggio with octave transpose of 2-keys arpeggio?

BlueARP VST Arpeggiator development - let's discuss! (Apple M1 ready, 4K)