Can of Worms Now Open: Mac vs. PC

[DuX]

It's like ordering a hamburger...

Here's the thing about that...
NO! it's not.

Does a PC hamburger come with a sh**ty OS too?

None of the OS's I've used were sh!!ty....

I beg to differ, none of the OSes I've used were great.

So I just picked the "greater one" [or less shitty one if you want].

[DuX]

Stupid debate. Each one has its strengths and each its weaknesses.. If you are a Mac user and cannot see the benefits of PC or are a PC user and cannot see the benefits of a Mac, then you live in a nice little closed box of your own ignorance, stubbornness, fanboyism, or whatever you want to call it.

I like PC, I like Mac, I like Linux and each excels at something.

It's called a fair comparison.

Yeah, bring it on....

Not exactly right, because there's nothing I cannot do in Windows and I can do in OS-X? There are plenty enough things I cannot do on a Mac and I can do in Windows, to make me not even consider it. For one thing, I don't want to join the "whiners club", or "mac please club". So it seems like OS-X is not so perfect after all, ey? You can't expect every developer to make a plugin compatible with all the platforms, for one thing. So that's one of the reasons I chose Windows: to be able to choose between loads and loads of programs and plugins being made for this platform, so I don't have to whine around in forums. I usually tell the whiners "it's the choice you've made, now don't whine about it".

Linux, on the other hand, is a different story, and it's a perfect OS for safe browsing, and just "business as usual" stuff. It can also be tweaked to work with real-time kernel, which means better, smoother performance with very low audio latencies than either Windows or OS-X. I can't wait for it to become an even more viable alternative to both crappy proprietary Windows and OS-X. Besides, I like to know what my OS' code look like, as you can never be too cautious with proprietary coded OSes and programs.

[Dewdman42]

I was referring to the #2 fix for wayward apps on OS X - trash its preference file, which happens to be a plist. To be fair, on Windows, you probably wouldn't bother deleting registry keys manually, just run the uninstaller and perhaps clean up the registry afterwards. I think the only time I've ever edited a plist was to change the destination folders for NI and Spectrasonics samples.

The windows registry uses long encoded keyvnames and cross references, which often makes it quite difficult to manually tweak or clean up.... extremely easy to do something wrong. Every time I go into the windows registry to "cleanup" something, I am a little concerned about whether I'm screwing up windows for good.

You never have that concern with OSX when it comes to Preference files because each app has their own self contained preference file(s). Generally they are simpler to read if you want to tweak them, but most people, as you said, don't need to tweak them....they occasionally might remove them to force the app to create them new again.

This is why almost every single app on windows needs to include both an installer and an uninstaller. OSX really does not require either except for rare exceptions where an application needs a special driver or something like that.

[Wormhelmet]

Stupid debate. Each one has its strengths and each its weaknesses.. If you are a Mac user and cannot see the benefits of PC or are a PC user and cannot see the benefits of a Mac, then you live in a nice little closed box of your own ignorance, stubbornness, fanboyism, or whatever you want to call it.

I like PC, I like Mac, I like Linux and each excels at something.

It's called a fair comparison.

Yeah, bring it on....

Not exactly right, because there's nothing I cannot do in Windows and I can do in OS-X? There are plenty enough things I cannot do on a Mac and I can do in Windows, to make me not even consider it. For one thing, I don't want to join the "whiners club", or "mac please club". So it seems like OS-X is not so perfect after all, ey? You can't expect every developer to make a plugin compatible with all the platforms, for one thing. So that's one of the reasons I chose Windows: to be able to choose between loads and loads of programs and plugins being made for this platform, so I don't have to whine around in forums. I usually tell the whiners "it's the choice you've made, now don't whine about it".

Linux, on the other hand, is a different story, and it's a perfect OS for safe browsing, and just "business as usual" stuff. It can also be tweaked to work with real-time kernel, which means better, smoother performance with very low audio latencies than either Windows or OS-X. I can't wait for it to become an even more viable alternative to both crappy proprietary Windows and OS-X. Besides, I like to know what my OS' code look like, as you can never be too cautious with proprietary coded OSes and programs.

If you read the quote you did, it is exactly right. Each has strengths and each has weaknesses. Nothing you cannot do on a Mac that you can do in Windows? Great! Now try randomly searching the web or opening every email attachment running no virus software.....

And that's only one of the most common arguments.

Anyway, I'm not going to get sucked into a stupid argument because people think their OS is king. Said it all my first post.

If you think Windows is awesome, then great. I think it's awesome too. I also think Mac OS is great. Mostly I think debates like these are pointless. Not gonna convince anyone of anything so its just a slinging of stupid points on either side.

[DuX]

LOL quote me where I said that Windows was awesome. I just prefer it to OS-X. I think Windows is just as crappy, especially when it comes to low latency real-time audio and video streaming. I just said that there's bigger choice of programs and plugins for Windows, and due to that fact especially there's no thing I cannot do in Windows, and I would need OS-X to do it. I am also essentially not against people who chose OS-X, but I would really like them to recognise the fact that when they chose that OS, they chose to use the range of programs and plugins made for it, which is not as vast as on Windows.

Pleas don't start me on viruses... get enough virus makers angry and you'll see what happens with your "OS-X is safe" statement.

[EvilDragon]

Now try randomly searching the web or opening every email attachment running no virus software.....

Been there, done that. Haven't had a scratch. It's not a problem not having AV and being perfectly safe online as long as you use your fecking brain.


However, AdBlockPlus is a goddamn necessity!

[robogone]

Now try randomly searching the web or opening every email attachment running no virus software.....

Been there, done that. Haven't had a scratch. It's not a problem not having AV and being perfectly safe online as long as you use your fecking brain.

Ditto. I don't have any AV software on my internet connected DAW and everyone once in a while I'll run an online AV scan to see that it's clean (it always is).

As for email, if I don't know who the sender is or what the attachment is it goes straight into my junk or trash.

[EvilDragon]

See? Just brains.

[Wormhelmet]

It's a good thing at least half the viruses propagated don't come in the form of attachments from senders people know with infected computers or anything like that....

[robogone]

I'm just glad that viruses don't come in eye rolling smileys

[digitalboytn]

IMO the Mac OS *was* superior to Windows prior to Windows 7, but they are now pretty much on a par.

I use Macs sometimes and they compute and do the tasks I need them to do...

But there's at least one key on the keypad that's in the wrong place

[fmr]

That's not accurate, when you drop a folder on an identically named one, you'll be prompted with a pop-up asking if you want to overwrite the existing one. I'd rather have that than the OS merging folder contents automatically.

And nothing on my system is blithe!

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt

If you have a folder with an identical name of the one you drag over it, I bet 99% of the time you want to merge contents (I do). In Windows, you have that option. Apple just give you the option to delete the other one or keep things apart. If you want to merge, you have to do it by hand, Very clever

And another thing that's clever: Why doesn't the OS remember the size of the Applications window? Each time I open it, I have to manually resize it. Another very clever option, introduced in OS X Lion, as part of the "hundreds of new features" they always claim to introduce, and we cannot see (unless the get in the way, like that one).

[DuX]

Now try randomly searching the web or opening every email attachment running no virus software.....

Been there, done that. Haven't had a scratch. It's not a problem not having AV and being perfectly safe online as long as you use your fecking brain.

Ditto. I don't have any AV software on my internet connected DAW and everyone once in a while I'll run an online AV scan to see that it's clean (it always is).

As for email, if I don't know who the sender is or what the attachment is it goes straight into my junk or trash.

Ditto ditto.

[aMUSEd]

IMO the Mac OS *was* superior to Windows prior to Windows 7, but they are now pretty much on a par.

I use Macs sometimes and they compute and do the tasks I need them to do...

But there's at least one key on the keypad that's in the wrong place

Lack of a del key - drives me nuts

[ZenPunkHippy]

Lack of a del key - drives me nuts

The full sized Apple keyboard with number pad has a delete key. Not sure if that's available as a bluetooth keyboard, I prefer the wired version.

Peace,
Andy.