Cakewalk Sonar X3

[juffi]

Yeah thats right, you can't please everyone. But one update patch is not the way to go then.

My mistake was to jump onto the producer version X1 and X2 as well. Now IF i consider upgrading (f.e. melodyne integration is a welcome addition) then i will choose Studio, thats for sure. And there will be a 30 day web demo version in the future i suppose.

[hibidy]

grrrrrrrrrr.

There is NO EXCUSE for X2 to be treated the way it was. NONE, ZERO, ZILCH.

Oh wait........"da monay"........ah, I get it now.

[juffi]

grrrrrrrrrr.



Oh wait........"da monay"........ah, I get it now.

[vastman]

Hidbity et all...this is a posting on X3, and I find it rather disgusting the amount of energy you trolls spend showering venom at older versions of sonar.

X1, albeit buggy, was a revolutionary change in daw design and through several iterations of both X1 & X2, we now have an amazingly stable, extremely powerful, easy to use & intuitive daw which blows the doors off everything else.

Suffering from penis envy? Stuck in an angry place and can't find your way out? Or are you just paid trolls of other daws who most likely are shivering in their boots about now?

Perusing this forum I haven't heard one valid negative comment about X3... just a bunch of garbage about the past. As I noted earlier. I too was challenged by earlier versions but quit telling your sad and often questionable war stories and see all the amazing things X3 brings to the table...

Delusions are powerful...one of the reasons our planets getting ready to cancel our species with a climate slap in the face...

Your spewings, as they relate to X3, are just as delusional...

If ur really trying to create music rather than troll...taking a real looksee. It's a far better use of your time than your ridiculous flames

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[cyphersuit]

I did not have a single session with X1 that was not plagued by bugs. In a pro situation this is not acceptable. So i do understand "the trolls". No other daw crashed on me that much.

[hibidy]

Hidbity et all...this is a posting on X3, and I find it rather disgusting the amount of energy you trolls spend showering venom at older versions of sonar.

X1, albeit buggy, was a revolutionary change in daw design and through several iterations of both X1 & X2, we now have an amazingly stable, extremely powerful, easy to use & intuitive daw which blows the doors off everything else.

Suffering from penis envy? Stuck in an angry place and can't find your way out? Or are you just paid trolls of other daws who most likely are shivering in their boots about now?

Perusing this forum I haven't heard one valid negative comment about X3... just a bunch of garbage about the past. As I noted earlier. I too was challenged by earlier versions but quit telling your sad and often questionable war stories and see all the amazing things X3 brings to the table...

Delusions are powerful...one of the reasons our planets getting ready to cancel our species with a climate slap in the face...

Your spewings, as they relate to X3, are just as delusional...

If ur really trying to create music rather than troll...taking a real looksee. It's a far better use of your time than your ridiculous flames

Which sockpuppet are you?

[hibidy]

I did not have a single session with X1 that was not plagued by bugs. In a pro situation this is not acceptable. So i do understand "the trolls". No other daw crashed on me that much.

Troll, stop posting your negative venom about old versions of sonar!!!!!!!!!

[hibidy]

Suffering from penis envy?

I have absolutely no reason to envy anyone else's penis. I think though that maybe YOU have the anger issue.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[DJMashbot]

Sweet, I haven't seen enough flamewars lately...

Really though, I think I will upgrade and see how it goes before passing judgment. I still think that X2 Producer customers should get a bigger discount on upgrades to X3, but I'm inclined to believe that money spent on Sonar goes towards the development of it.

[Proteinshake]

X1, albeit buggy, was a revolutionary change in daw design

Didn't Presonus Studio One do that already?

[lfm]

Nope.. all USB 2.0. (my 3.0 ports felt sad and neglected..)

Attached hardware was (and still is) a Cakewalk branded UA-25 EX (USB Breakout Box) and a Cakewalk branded A-500 S (USB MIDI Keyboard Controller).

I really tried everything I could think of to try to track down what might be causing any issues.

Over six months worth of random crashes resulting in having to reboot (fast 10 second reboots thanks to a pimped out/optimized SSD), then 15+ minutes of loading/refilling the song/project RAM, which was generally 10 to 11 GB worth of samples.

Got in the habit of just setting up the reload.. and walking away to grab a sandwich or walk off the frustration.. only to come back and sometimes find it had actually crashed again.. just trying to reload the project.

Or, sometimes it would tease me and stay up long enough to let me hit a key on my MIDI controller.. then immediately crash again.

So.. Imagine that happening 5 or 6 times per session.. and you get the idea.

Sometimes I'd get in over an hours worth of work before a crash.

Was also in the habit of saving after every significant bit of song programming.. about every minute.

Finally got to the point to where I just had to stop working on my album.. just couldn't take the stress anymore.

Had a bit of hope when the X series came out.. but monitored the boards closely only to find people complaining about the same issues I was still having.

Another 6 months went by before I had the extra cash to invest in new DAW software, and begin to learn it.

An album that should have taken me about 18 months to complete.. took me over 3 years. So.. yeah.. I'm sorta bitter about it.

I can understand the frustration. It's how I felt trying to get firewire stuff working for three months - before I abandoned it. I would have to use up 8% cpu constantly on a fresh new i7 - and had to increase latency to 160 samples something to run without crackles and pops. You tried everything, 4 different brands of firewire cards, a couple of brands for cables and soundcards and I don't know what. I know that feeling - your determined to fix it - but it does not happend.

Anyway, I remember looking into settings in aud.ini that I did to optimize for multicore and some things I don't remember straight up. Remember having to start Sonar transport multiple times to make it play, so time for dropouts to stop playback and things - but this was with certain firewire drivers.

I think Studio One 3.0 eventually will have some things now in Sonar. Track templates and probably staff view since they bought Notion. Those are my biggest obstacles with S1 Producer and some bugs that make midi clips loose contact with synths. Some gamble to replace synths it seems.

My new approach to just switch and do some tracks in another daw that has some features for that operation feels natural now. And always use 3rd party plugs and synths - makes it rather easy to switch main daw even - you are never locked in by what is shipped with that daw. And you can even use a synth in another daw - moving tracks or rewire a daw over.

I will go through a full project in X3 and see how it goes. I couldn't stop until 3.30 this morning - and it's all good so far. A tiny bug changing output of midi track to another synth, change midi input port to first always.

TIP! And also found a setting for making help offline, they made it default to have daw online. File settings advanced - there is a checkbox to use the local chm-help. One thing that many daws lack - proper context help integrated.

[cyphersuit]

@Proteinshake: Yes, Sonar simply copied the revolution. But to be fair it brought more things to the table, studio one hasn't (matrix view, step sequencer, midi tools).

[vastman]

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2013/ ... irst-look/


For those of you truly interested in the mind blowing features and revolutionary nature of X3... watch the synthtopia video review linked above... it should (hopefully) shut the ignorant haters up and anyone really interested in creating powerful awesome music? You'll love it!

Oh, and for the fella raging about how he can have 2 songs loaded at once with his daw... well, with X3 I loaded up 10 songs this evening and switched seamlessly among them, all done in X1 or X2, with zero glitches...heavy use of diva, alchemy, zebra, and other monsters, orchestras, lots of vocals, vst effects... it's all ram dependent with X3 And a good test of stability...

Oh, and lastly, as to why I've vented at some who are trashing older versions... well. They're OLDER versions... each upgrade ...a, b and such, fixed hundreds of bugs people surfaced...cake even listed their bug fixes and to read these comments, you'd think nothing was done! It makes me angry! Did I get upset at crashes? YES! did Cake fix things? YES! The X series is very complex and powerful but super intuitive and my point is this thread is about X3! It's darn near perfect and any problems will get attention... rev A is already out, B is under way... and C is slated to integrate video production...

Apologize for any invectives but constantly complaining about earlier experiences has nothing to do with the fact that Cake's baked an awesome new loaf of bread!