Codex vs Serum

[Ingonator]

As mentioned in the other threda i purchased Codex. Opposing to Serum i liked it from the first minute on.
Importing custom wavetables also seems to be quite simple if you export them with Audio term in the requeired WAV format.

IMO Codex could sound a lot "warmer" and pleasing while it could still sound digital. Anyway doing more "analog like" sounds seem to be more simple (or just better sounding) with Codex than with Serum.

It is also cool that in Codex you could use the step sequencer for modulation.
The Low end is already quite good by default while the built-in EQ could boost this quite nicely (like it was possible with Element too). That EQ seems to be quite simple but it seems to work nicely.

Codex seems to be a quite versatile synth that could do more than just the typical wavetable stuff and that with a quite simple interface.

For certain wavetable related tasks/sounds that could not be done with Codex (or at least sounding different) i also got a few additional wavetable synths.

Hi Mr. Ingonator,

sorry but what you are writting here is wrong regarding the abillities of creating warm sounds with Serum.
I have bought Serum and created also some very analog-styled sounds with warmness which at least sounds as what I have heard from this Codex.

This might be your very very pesonal impression and statement.

If you have not bought Serum you can not go into the dept because after 20 minutes Serum stops and you have to reload it.
So you can't discuss here with people who have bought and using it, on the same level.
In this regard you are noobie and your comment is unprofessional !

I have owned and/or used countless wavetable synths during the last 10-11 years including both hardware and software and done sound design for several of them so i guess i have a little clue about such synths already.

Codex sounded just right for me from the first minute on while Serum did not (even after testing it much longer than Codex before purchasing it), it's as simple as that (at least for my personal taste!!).
IMO Codex is perfectly suited for both typical analog sounds and typical wavetable stuff.

The 20 minutes comment is stupid because during i was checking it i just re-started it in a quite short time.
BTW the Codex demo is limited in the amount of days you could use it but besides that there are no limitation at all.

While Codex is not really low on CPU i could use multiple instances (even layered pads) without it killing my CPU while with Serum two layered pads are usually too much.

If you check the features included with Codex in details it is also far from being a "basic" synth.
It is also nice that it could do several interactions of both oscillators like e.g. FM, Ringmodulation and Osc Sync (all possible at the same time).

As already mentioned i also own several other wavetable synths (e.g. Blofeld, Largo, PPG Wave 3.V, PPG Wavegenerator, DUNE 2, Synthmaster 2.6) and they all sound quite different (or have different features) so i will continue using most of them.

[PietW.]

Hi Mr. Ingonator,

sorry but what you are writting here is wrong regarding the abillities of creating warm sounds with Serum.
I have bought Serum and created also some very analog-styled sounds with warmness which at least sounds as what I have heard from this Codex.

This might be your very very pesonal impression and statement.

If you have not bought Serum you can not go into the dept because after 20 minutes Serum stops and you have to reload it.
So you can't discuss here with people who have bought and using it, on the same level.
In this regard you are noobie and your comment is unprofessional !

Because what you write for crap.

[arkmabat]

Some people like fish, I prefer beef. I do believe it's that simple. Either way, both have many creative options open to the user.

[Fleer]

Gotta love Codex, the antiserum, as it's more of a musician's instrument than a programmer's tool.

Edit: I stand corrected: Serum is definitely wonderful. One of the best.

[V0RT3X]

*Edit* - I said I wasn't going to buy Serum.

I am getting more and more amazed at this thing, i think it's worth the CPU cycles.

[A.M. Gold]

Gotta love Codex, the antiserum, as it's more of a musician's instrument than a programmer's tool.

Well, I have to diverge a little---Serum IS an instrument, and a very good one, it's just defined by a certain sound and that sound is very much NOT "virtual analog". There's no point in arguing that aspect of it because it boils down to the ancient analog vs. digital argument that has spawned more KVR threads than anyone wants to count.

I love Serum even though it isn't really my "cup of tea" because every time I load it and play around with it there's something that sucks me in and makes me want to keep exploring its potential. I have a lot of respect for the developer Steve Duda so I'm eager to see every new incremental advance in the design and scope of this synth.

OTOH, Waves is a monolithic audio software entity and I think it's great that they are branching out into instruments more now. It's no surprise at all that they have created a more "virtual analog" wavetable synth since their bread and butter largely consists of analog emulations.

I'm very happy to own both of these instruments, since they cover a wide spectrum of everything that is possible with a wavetable synth, with the venerable and legendary Massive falling somewhere in between.

[t3toooo]

So, life without drama would be basically the same than a wavetable synth without wavetable.Did I understand this correctly?





Edit: (found a better equation)

[Fleer]

I'm very happy to own both of these instruments, since they cover a wide spectrum of everything that is possible with a wavetable synth, with the venerable and legendary Massive falling somewhere in between.

Agreed

[Sparky77]

I'm very happy to own both of these instruments, since they cover a wide spectrum of everything that is possible with a wavetable synth, with the venerable and legendary Massive falling somewhere in between.

Agreed

Totally +1, why even compare?

[Spitfire31]

I'm very happy to own both of these instruments, since they cover a wide spectrum of everything that is possible with a wavetable synth, with the venerable and legendary Massive falling somewhere in between.

Agreed

Totally +1, why even compare?

Hear, hear!

/Joachim

[Mivo]

Gotta love Codex, the antiserum, as it's more of a musician's instrument than a programmer's tool.

The implication being that musicians can't handle complexity and freedom?

[TonyVegas]

Gotta love Codex, the antiserum, as it's more of a musician's instrument than a programmer's tool.

The implication being that musicians can't handle complexity and freedom?

Musicians don't want complexity. We find it to be stifling and unproductive.

[hibidy]

So, life without drama would be basically the same than a wavetable synth without wavetable.Did I understand this correctly?





Edit: (found a better equation)

I resisted the "cat" pic.

[Fleer]

Gotta love Codex, the antiserum, as it's more of a musician's instrument than a programmer's tool.

The implication being that musicians can't handle complexity and freedom?

The implication being that freedom without limitation is stale and barren. Think of every limited yet inviting instrument in musical history.

Edit: however, in the meantime, learning more and more about Serum, I have to admit that it is an amazing instrument. Congrats, Mr Duda, Xfer trumps Waves.

[Ingonator]

I am currently checking how to use custom wavetables in Codex and posted my first experiments/results here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=210

Actually it looks like it could import almost everything (up to a certain size) but i am searching for the best format to import wavetables done with e.g. Audio Term and/or done in a Audio editor like Waveterm (i got Wavelab Elements 7 here).
What is sure that it uses WAV files for the wavetables like it is also done in Serum and so far i seem to get some quite good result when exporting my older wavetables (e.g. from wavegenerator and DUNE2) to the Serum output format in Audio Term.