SquaredHeads Nora: Arpeggiator (2.5 Released!)

[elassi]

You should refine a bit the TBMainActions & TBMainMenu picture. There is a light grey horizontal line under them. It looks nice

Damn, you're right... left-over from the main image...

Ok, here's the edited version: navy2.zip


@Varikusbrainz: No problem, a question of taste. Thank you all for your feedback.

[squaredheads]

Live notoriously cannot route midi in this way. Recompose's Liquid Notes appears to have pulled it off with a max4live device but I am not aware of any easy solution to this problem. If anybody has one please speak up.

Could not use Live plugin 'effects' before an instrument in a track? If it cannot, another solution could be using a plugin chainer (like FL Studio one) that can have inside different paths for each plugin you load.

[yellukhan]

Thanks for sharing elassi !

[squaredheads]

1. No,only hosting Nora with Patchwork in Logic not in Studio One.
2. Yes , I do not use Patchwork in Studio One.
3. In Logic Nora is in the MFX version of Patchwork, no other Vst or MFx are in Patchwork, only Nora.

For testing purposes I used Dune 2 as the "target" in Logic and Studio one. Both DAWs had the spiking issue. Patchwork was only used in Logic. The VST version of Nora was used in both cases.

I can do a few more tests, it doesn't happen with Synthmaster or Omnisphere.

The fact that all cores spike is strange, I will try it with a few others and report back. To reiterate it happens when I hit the stop button on both DAWs not while they are playing or starting.

When you stop your host, Nora sends a stop all message. This message mean 127 note off x 16 channels. If the synth or host processes those noteOffs maybe it could be the reason of the CPU usage peak. Another clue is that for thinking this is, since Nora is pretty cpu friendly, it only uses one core (so it cannot peak in all your cores). You could try setting poliphony to 1 in Dune (or monophonic mode).

Unfortunately I demoed Dune few months ago, and my demo expired. Is there another synth that is causing you this problem? Is someone else using Dune and can test it?

[lnikj]

Live notoriously cannot route midi in this way. Recompose's Liquid Notes appears to have pulled it off with a max4live device but I am not aware of any easy solution to this problem. If anybody has one please speak up.

Could not use Live plugin 'effects' before an instrument in a track? If it cannot, another solution could be using a plugin chainer (like FL Studio one) that can have inside different paths for each plugin you load.

I don't think there is a midi effect for this, nor does a Live midi effects rack allow it. I'm very happy to be corrected though!

[iDesignSound]

Using Nora2.0 with Live 9.1.6 32-bit on Win7

I seem to have a problem with the MIDI routing, for I cannot route the 8 outs to seperate MIDI tracks. It should be possible(I hope).

In the MIDI FROM menu I can select Nora, but not multiple tracks.

Anyone else has this? Maybe the wrong place to ask, but thanks anyway.

@Elassi Looks nice

I'm not sure how Live works with MIDI routing. What you could try, it's routing the full Nora output to all your instruments, and pre-filter the channels with another VST (in case Live lacks a MIDI Filter built-in effect)

Live does allow the routing of multiple inputs/outputs to and from other plugins. It shouldn't be complicated. Both Nora and it's midi outputs should be showing as available inputs in Lives midi channels.

If I had Nora I could look into this for you and help you get it sorted, but until theres a demo version I cannot help I'm afraid (unless SquareHeads can send me a license )

In Live, and using Kirnu Cream as an example. I would load Cream on Track 9, then some instrument plugins on tracks 1-4. Then for each instrument track choose Cream as the MIDI input. Then in the box below that choose the four MIDI channels that you set each pattern to output from in Cream.

If the outputs are showing as available then perhaps something is wrong inside Nora?

[elassi]

If the outputs are showing as available then perhaps something is wrong inside Nora?

Just a guess: from former experiments with Synthedit I remember that you could set VST-plugins to "MIDI" or "Instrument"-mode with it. And indeed there was a difference when loading those into a host.

Mabye Nora/Squareheads just need to set this 'flag' to work in Live?

Sorry, if this is noobish talk. But certainly I recall something like this.

[woodsdenis]

1. No,only hosting Nora with Patchwork in Logic not in Studio One.
2. Yes , I do not use Patchwork in Studio One.
3. In Logic Nora is in the MFX version of Patchwork, no other Vst or MFx are in Patchwork, only Nora.

For testing purposes I used Dune 2 as the "target" in Logic and Studio one. Both DAWs had the spiking issue. Patchwork was only used in Logic. The VST version of Nora was used in both cases.

I can do a few more tests, it doesn't happen with Synthmaster or Omnisphere.

The fact that all cores spike is strange, I will try it with a few others and report back. To reiterate it happens when I hit the stop button on both DAWs not while they are playing or starting.

When you stop your host, Nora sends a stop all message. This message mean 127 note off x 16 channels. If the synth or host processes those noteOffs maybe it could be the reason of the CPU usage peak. Another clue is that for thinking this is, since Nora is pretty cpu friendly, it only uses one core (so it cannot peak in all your cores). You could try setting poliphony to 1 in Dune (or monophonic mode).

Unfortunately I demoed Dune few months ago, and my demo expired. Is there another synth that is causing you this problem? Is someone else using Dune and can test it?

Hi

To eliminate Patchwork from the possibilities I just tested Nora in Studio One 64 bit

When Pressing Stop

Dune 2 100 % a Core
Dune 30 %
GForce Odditty. 30 %
Xfer Serum 30 %

Ones in my system that were ok

Native Instruments
Spectrasonics
Synthmaster
Arturia
Fabfilter
Spire
UHE

So it seems its a Dune issue mainly, it does it in mono so I guess whatever way it handles note offs is strange.
The six core peak was in a session with other plugins, when testing now with just Nora and a vst it was one core that maxed out.

If there is any clue in this is that Cthulhu which I assume does the same all notes off procedure does not make Dune 2 do this.

tx for quick response and a cool product.

[jcook5376]

One feature that would be nice, unless it's possible already and I just haven't figured it out, is in the playlist mode selecting multiple patterns and pasting them as they are. For example, if I cut up a group of patterns on track 1, then highlight them all I can't seem to paste them with "shift" or use copy and paste within nora (they are greyed out) So i am forced to copy and paste each individual pattern on the track.

[lnikj]

Using Nora2.0 with Live 9.1.6 32-bit on Win7

I seem to have a problem with the MIDI routing, for I cannot route the 8 outs to seperate MIDI tracks. It should be possible(I hope).

In the MIDI FROM menu I can select Nora, but not multiple tracks.

Anyone else has this? Maybe the wrong place to ask, but thanks anyway.

@Elassi Looks nice

I'm not sure how Live works with MIDI routing. What you could try, it's routing the full Nora output to all your instruments, and pre-filter the channels with another VST (in case Live lacks a MIDI Filter built-in effect)

Live does allow the routing of multiple inputs/outputs to and from other plugins. It shouldn't be complicated. Both Nora and it's midi outputs should be showing as available inputs in Lives midi channels.

If I had Nora I could look into this for you and help you get it sorted, but until theres a demo version I cannot help I'm afraid (unless SquareHeads can send me a license )

In Live, and using Kirnu Cream as an example. I would load Cream on Track 9, then some instrument plugins on tracks 1-4. Then for each instrument track choose Cream as the MIDI input. Then in the box below that choose the four MIDI channels that you set each pattern to output from in Cream.

If the outputs are showing as available then perhaps something is wrong inside Nora?

I am wrong then, which is good news

[Martin Simon]

Using Nora2.0 with Live 9.1.6 32-bit on Win7

I seem to have a problem with the MIDI routing, for I cannot route the 8 outs to seperate MIDI tracks. It should be possible(I hope).

In the MIDI FROM menu I can select Nora, but not multiple tracks.

Anyone else has this? Maybe the wrong place to ask, but thanks anyway.

@Elassi Looks nice

I'm not sure how Live works with MIDI routing. What you could try, it's routing the full Nora output to all your instruments, and pre-filter the channels with another VST (in case Live lacks a MIDI Filter built-in effect)

Live does allow the routing of multiple inputs/outputs to and from other plugins. It shouldn't be complicated. Both Nora and it's midi outputs should be showing as available inputs in Lives midi channels.

If I had Nora I could look into this for you and help you get it sorted, but until theres a demo version I cannot help I'm afraid (unless SquareHeads can send me a license )

In Live, and using Kirnu Cream as an example. I would load Cream on Track 9, then some instrument plugins on tracks 1-4. Then for each instrument track choose Cream as the MIDI input. Then in the box below that choose the four MIDI channels that you set each pattern to output from in Cream.

If the outputs are showing as available then perhaps something is wrong inside Nora?

I am wrong then, which is good news

Outputs are not showing as availible.

Say you have Nora with a MIDIclip on track 1 and the instrument playing Nora's Arp on track 2.

On track 2, you can choose 1-Nora as input, but you cannot specify a channel, just pre-fx, post-fx and Nora(which, I think, receives all the data being played of all tracks). So you can receive the midi in your instrument, but not the seperate tracks.

I'll try to send a pic later.
It could be that I'm missing something...but I spensd a few hours on it yesterday with no result.

[lnikj]

Using Nora2.0 with Live 9.1.6 32-bit on Win7

I seem to have a problem with the MIDI routing, for I cannot route the 8 outs to seperate MIDI tracks. It should be possible(I hope).

In the MIDI FROM menu I can select Nora, but not multiple tracks.

Anyone else has this? Maybe the wrong place to ask, but thanks anyway.

@Elassi Looks nice

I'm not sure how Live works with MIDI routing. What you could try, it's routing the full Nora output to all your instruments, and pre-filter the channels with another VST (in case Live lacks a MIDI Filter built-in effect)

Live does allow the routing of multiple inputs/outputs to and from other plugins. It shouldn't be complicated. Both Nora and it's midi outputs should be showing as available inputs in Lives midi channels.

If I had Nora I could look into this for you and help you get it sorted, but until theres a demo version I cannot help I'm afraid (unless SquareHeads can send me a license )

In Live, and using Kirnu Cream as an example. I would load Cream on Track 9, then some instrument plugins on tracks 1-4. Then for each instrument track choose Cream as the MIDI input. Then in the box below that choose the four MIDI channels that you set each pattern to output from in Cream.

If the outputs are showing as available then perhaps something is wrong inside Nora?

I am wrong then, which is good news

Outputs are not showing as availible.

Say you have Nora with a MIDIclip on track 1 and the instrument playing Nora's Arp on track 2.

On track 2, you can choose 1-Nora as input, but you cannot specify a channel, just pre-fx, post-fx and Nora(which, I think, receives all the data being played of all tracks). So you can receive the midi in your instrument, but not the seperate tracks.

I'll try to send a pic later.
It could be that I'm missing something...but I spensd a few hours on it yesterday with no result.

To be clear, that is exactly my experience too. However, as was suggested above, if it's possible to do it in Kirnu then it must be fixable in Nora.

[Spitfire31]

Oops - my reply seem to have disappeared in thin smoke…

Anyway, like Martin Simon, I just spent some considerable time trying to verify that Kirnu-Cream can, in fact, publish multiple MIDI out channels in Live that are selectable in the receiving synth tracks.

I tested with Cream 1.1 in Live 9.1.6, running Mac OS Mavericks 10.9.5.

Whatever I did in Cream, in the receiving tracks, underneath the 'MIDI from', the next slot showed 'Pre FX', 'Post FX' and 'Kirnu-Cream64' only. No MIDI channel selection in sight…

Maybe there's some secret voodoo for making this work that we're not aware of?

/Joachim

[Martin Simon]

I think and hope that this can solved.
For the time being I'll just record the MIDI in seprate tracks.
But that is... of course, missing the point of most of the 2.0 upgrade.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Live notoriously cannot route midi in this way. Recompose's Liquid Notes appears to have pulled it off with a max4live device but I am not aware of any easy solution to this problem. If anybody has one please speak up.

Could not use Live plugin 'effects' before an instrument in a track? If it cannot, another solution could be using a plugin chainer (like FL Studio one) that can have inside different paths for each plugin you load.

Place midi plugin on one track.
Place synth on another track and set its midi in to point at Nora