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filtafreq · Post by **filtafreq** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:59 pm

Interesting that Steinberg are doing a VST instrument survey , could Steinberg have bought Camel ?

https://vstinstruments.questionpro.com/a/TakeSurvey

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:16 pm

filtafreq wrote:Interesting that Steinberg are doing a VST instrument survey , could Steinberg have bought Camel ?

https://vstinstruments.questionpro.com/a/TakeSurvey

As I wrote in the poll thread, although I placed my bet on Apple, there are two other companies that IMO also have the funds and the motivation: Steinberg and iZotope.

crawlingwind · Post by **crawlingwind** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:18 pm

Alchemy would sure spruce up Iris! Doubt it though...

fmr wrote:
filtafreq wrote:Interesting that Steinberg are doing a VST instrument survey , could Steinberg have bought Camel ?

https://vstinstruments.questionpro.com/a/TakeSurvey
As I wrote in the poll thread, although I placed my bet on Apple, there are two other companies that IMO also have the funds and the motivation: Steinberg and iZotope.

filtafreq · Post by **filtafreq** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:21 pm

Im going for Steinberg as they have always recommended Camel in the Vst section of their website , i can't believe Ben would of just dropped the PC community just like that

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:22 pm

Gamma-UT wrote:
wasi wrote:I don't think that's the angle though. For one I'm not sure you can patent something with prior art by buying the prior art and then claiming originality for yourself. Interesting question though. If you could though, that would again be very Apple...
No, a company can't realistically do that. US patent law is first to invent not first to file – things like lab notebooks are used as records.

People have dressed up patents to attempt to pretend they're not kiboshed by prior art. And the USPTO will let you do that. It's when the patent is challenged in court that they get found out. Unfortunately, that's the expensive bit. One miscreant took a bunch of companies to the cleaners in the 1980s over Token Ring networking before Bob Madge decided to fight it - and win.

Right, but if the prior art is your property, then there's no challenge, unless you like suing yourself. There are two possibilities as I see it:

1.) CA had technology that they themselves patented -- Apple (or an entity like Apple

) purchased the rights to the technology from CA, including transfer of ownership of the patent(s) as part of the deal

2.) CA had patentable technology, but never patented it themselves, nor has anybody since -- e.g., if Alchemy Mobile was the first of it's kind, nobody else could necessarily successfully patent it; Apple (or an entity like Apple

) buys the "innovative" IP, with one purpose being to patent the technology, but also to put into practice ... Apple in particular really does have an interest in mobile/laptop, mobile/desktop synergy, and it's always best to own your synergy outright rather than license your synergy from somebody else...

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:27 pm

fmr wrote:
filtafreq wrote:Interesting that Steinberg are doing a VST instrument survey , could Steinberg have bought Camel ?

https://vstinstruments.questionpro.com/a/TakeSurvey
As I wrote in the poll thread, although I placed my bet on Apple, there are two other companies that IMO also have the funds and the motivation: Steinberg and iZotope.

I would trade e-licenser for the ability to remain cross-platform. Logic proprietary would be a personal step backward, and I say that as a dual-platform user with a Logic 9 license.

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:35 pm

filtafreq wrote:Interesting that Steinberg are doing a VST instrument survey , could Steinberg have bought Camel ?

https://vstinstruments.questionpro.com/a/TakeSurvey

I wondered that too. But wouldn't you take the survey BEFORE you wrote an eight figure check?

SuitcaseOfLizards · Post by **SuitcaseOfLizards** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:38 pm

VeraBila wrote:Hello!
May be useful to someone.

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Download for free and be happy!!!

No pr0n, not interested. And no Babya Logic!

I say Babya bought out Camel Audio.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:39 pm

BERFAB wrote:
filtafreq wrote:IBut wouldn't you take the survey BEFORE you wrote an eight figure check?

Exactly.

Sheesh.

filtafreq · Post by **filtafreq** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:39 pm

Lets put it this way , im praying that it's Steinberg then at least Camel can venture into Vst 3 and come up with a dual platform monster . If it's Apple, well i think there'll be an uproar

beely · Post by **beely** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:40 pm

SyntheticAurality wrote:I say Babya bought out Camel Audio.

lol

Yeah, but'll he'll write his Alchemy from scratch though.
It will be a 16-bit Win95 application...

filtafreq · Post by **filtafreq** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:41 pm

BERFAB wrote:
filtafreq wrote:Interesting that Steinberg are doing a VST instrument survey , could Steinberg have bought Camel ?

https://vstinstruments.questionpro.com/a/TakeSurvey

I wondered that too. But wouldn't you take the survey BEFORE you wrote an eight figure check?

Not really , when they have signatures to look at on the Steinberg forum and feed back from Camel of how many people are actually using Cuendo

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:04 pm

filtafreq wrote:Lets put it this way , im praying that it's Steinberg then at least Camel can venture into Vst 3 and come up with a dual platform monster . If it's Apple, well i think there'll be an uproar

My thoughts on this too. I really really really hope it is a cross platform company and not only Windows or Mac.

Otherwise.. this thread, or another one, will end up with another 100+ pages of fury!

Plus, I was very much hoping to see an updated CamelSpace on Windows.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:07 pm

VitaminD wrote:Plus, I was very much hoping to see an updated CamelSpace on Windows.

There's an opportunity there for someone. Audio Damage, for example, has most if not all of the bits that are needed...

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:25 pm

If those eight figures are true, I can sadly only imagine apple being insane enough to pay that kind of money. Alchemy is great but but not the end all. It's only worth that much if you have no skills of your own and/or the IP offers some serious punch beyond the application itself.

Camel Audio ceasing sales? [Update: CA acquired by Apple]