Omnisphere 2 is here! (yes, it's really here!)

[r1chard]

Question, where are you getting 3000 presets for $100? Cause I am gonna go buy them right now

Also the effects in an instrument like Omnisphere are a huge part of what defines its sound.. so you may not use them, but the new presets and sound designers will!

People who buy Omnisphere now get 3000 presets for free, they are included with their 500 bucks. So go now and buy Omnisphere 2 and get your free 3000 presets. I have to pay 250 dollars to get them. No matter how you look at it, people upgrading are getting the shaft. Which is why I am going to wait for later upgrades. Spectrosonics rewards you for waiting. If I would have waited, I would have got 3000 presets for free, but now they punish me because I did not wait, by making me pay $250..

You haven't used Omnisphere at all since you bought it? Or isn't this usage worth anything?

Never said it was worth nothing. I can still use it and will. My point was that new users get everything for free, they are not paying $750 like I would have to, to get the product. All I am saying is the price is not worth the upgrade. Read my other posts, I like Omnisphers, sounds great, but I paid double for this vst over all the others I own and now they want me to pay another 250, not worth it to me. Doesn't mean version 1 is worth nothing. But they should reward loyal customers with a reasonable upgrade and charge new customers to pay for the extra work that was done to the vst.

[mostlyjustj]

You haven't used Omnisphere at all since you bought it? Or isn't this usage worth anything?

This!!

How do people think that new users are getting preferential treatment when NEW USERS HAVEN'T HAD ACCESS TO THE SOFTWARE THE WHOLE TIME YOU'VE HAD YOUR LICENSE? Geez. We all have new user status for every piece of software we don't own, the advantage being that we don't have to pay for it, the disadvantage is that we don't get to use it. Of COURSE new users are often going to get more bang for the buck. It makes sense as a business model. They still have to pay way more than the upgrade price just like we did at some point. There's a balance to be found, for sure, but it's a fairly simple and universal pricing model for just about all software, but it still seems like every time a paid upgrade for any piece of software comes around, lots of people complain about feeling cheated.

Yes, software gets better as we move forward in time. This is the nature of the space-time continuum. Our children will pay just as much money for WAY cooler VST's.... But did you not enjoy the use of the software you've paid for? That seems like a different issue entirely!

[firepile]

Never said it was worth nothing. I can still use it and will. My point was that new users get everything for free, they are not paying $750 like I would have to, to get the product.

I have paid more than $1000 for my daw (original purchase + upgrades). Using your logic, new users should pay $1000+ for the latest version?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

You haven't used Omnisphere at all since you bought it? Or isn't this usage worth anything?

This!!

you buy the right to enjoy the software when you pay the money. you shouldn't then need to justify the following years of usage

it is not so much that others are getting it for the same price, but that older users are having to pay more.

if the new content is worth $249, then why has that all been swallowed up into the msrp ?? or is the $249 the tax/rates/rental that older users need to pay for the enjoyment they have had

also, flip it around. in respect of a company's loyalty to their long-term customers, "was our early investment not worth anything ??"

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Never said it was worth nothing. I can still use it and will. My point was that new users get everything for free, they are not paying $750 like I would have to, to get the product.

I have paid more than $1000 for my daw (original purchase + upgrades). Using your logic, new users should pay $1000+ for the latest version?

i also paid a ton for logic, and yet i have no issue with new users getting it at the current price (that's just how things go) the difference with logic is that the price is the same now for everyone. in contrast to the current omni situation, where a new omni customer gets one price, and the long-term user gets another, with quite the difference in between (and with the idea of customer loyalty completely flipped on it's head)

[zvenx]

Never said it was worth nothing. I can still use it and will. My point was that new users get everything for free, they are not paying $750 like I would have to, to get the product.

I have paid more than $1000 for my daw (original purchase + upgrades). Using your logic, new users should pay $1000+ for the latest version?

i also paid a ton for logic, and yet i have no issue with new users getting it at the current price (that's just how things go) the difference with logic is that the price is the same now for everyone. in contrast to the current omni situation, where a new omni customer gets one price, and the long-term user gets another, with quite the difference in between (and with the idea of customer loyalty completely flipped on it's head)

Yes but using the logic of 'logic', since afaik there is no longer an upgrade fee and you seem comfortable with it, cause that's just how things go, would you want spectrasonics to sell omnisphere 2 for $500 to everyone?

rsp

[Chapelle]

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[Phorous]

You haven't used Omnisphere at all since you bought it? Or isn't this usage worth anything?

This!!

you buy the right to enjoy the software when you pay the money. you shouldn't then need to justify the following years of usage

it is not so much that others are getting it for the same price, but that older users are having to pay more.

if the new content is worth $249, then why has that all been swallowed up into the msrp ?? or is the $249 the tax/rates/rental that older users need to pay for the enjoyment they have had

also, flip it around. in respect of a company's loyalty to their long-term customers, "was our early investment not worth anything ??"

I hear you say long term customer but is a customer who only makes one (albeit big) purchase really a long term customer? Would the long term customer complain about an optional upgrade with an arguably good value proposition when he has only done business with the company a single time? By that logic I am a long term customer of KFC because I ate there one time and now they should give me free fried chicken after all the years I have been their customer.

Spectrasonics business model is buy once, get plenty of free sizeable updates. Then eventually after enough years they release a signifigant update which may as well be a new product for which you need to pay for. After all those free updates + what you get with the updates the cost is justified IMO.

[Arglebargle]

the complaining makes no sense. how many products give you a 50% discount for owning a previous version of the product? sure wish I could get that with computers, or cars, or anything expensive. Oh, I already own a computer, give me this new one for a steep discount.

[Phorous]

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[AnalogGuy1]

People who buy Omnisphere now get 3000 presets for free, they are included with their 500 bucks. So go now and buy Omnisphere 2 and get your free 3000 presets. I have to pay 250 dollars to get them. No matter how you look at it, people upgrading are getting the shaft. Which is why I am going to wait for later upgrades. Spectrosonics rewards you for waiting. If I would have waited, I would have got 3000 presets for free, but now they punish me because I did not wait, by making me pay $250.

I'm confused. The extra money upgraders pay in total (first purchase plus upgrade) over new adopters is not a ripoff. It is because upgraders have had the use of Omni version 1 for years before version 2.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Never said it was worth nothing. I can still use it and will. My point was that new users get everything for free, they are not paying $750 like I would have to, to get the product.

I have paid more than $1000 for my daw (original purchase + upgrades). Using your logic, new users should pay $1000+ for the latest version?

i also paid a ton for logic, and yet i have no issue with new users getting it at the current price (that's just how things go) the difference with logic is that the price is the same now for everyone. in contrast to the current omni situation, where a new omni customer gets one price, and the long-term user gets another, with quite the difference in between (and with the idea of customer loyalty completely flipped on it's head)

Yes but using the logic of 'logic', since afaik there is no longer an upgrade fee and you seem comfortable with it, cause that's just how things go, would you want spectrasonics to sell omnisphere 2 for $500 to everyone?

rsp

but that's not what is happening here. long-term users are being asked to pay $249 for something that new users are getting covered in the original package price

older users are being asked to pay more, seemingly as some kind of 'years of usage' tax

[Arglebargle]

I suppose all the owners of Absynth, Reaktor, and other early NI plugs should be up in arms about the deal I got when I bought Komplete. So much for customer loyalty practically giving away what we paid good money for!

I bought Kontakt, Battery, and Guitar Rig all separately. Also I think Reaktor. NI doesn't offer a good enough Komplete discount for someone like me who owns most of the big products separately. f**k them.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

the complaining makes no sense. how many products give you a 50% discount for owning a previous version of the product? sure wish I could get that with computers, or cars, or anything expensive. Oh, I already own a computer, give me this new one for a steep discount.

how is it a 50% discount ?? the price of omni 1, sans these new features, is $499. the price of omni 2, with the features.....$499. long-term users, having already paid $499, now have to pay $249 so what was that about a discount ??

[mostlyjustj]

You haven't used Omnisphere at all since you bought it? Or isn't this usage worth anything?

it is not so much that others are getting it for the same price, but that older users are having to pay more.

if the new content is worth $249, then why has that all been swallowed up into the msrp ??

Am I going to bitch when my grandkids pay $500 for Omnisphere 7.0 which is 100 times cooler than the same Omni 1.0 that **I** purchased for $500 and have spent a cumulative $1750 on upgrades for?? Haha... of COURSE i will, but my grandkids are going to think I'm an idiot. And they'd be right! Haha

YEARS of using something is worth money. You have to pay for that shit!

So yes, I see your point. I just don't agree with it. I paid $500 a few years ago for Omni1, and have gotten quite a bit of enjoyment out of it, and it helped me step up the quality of my music. I can continue the use of it as long as I want because unless Spectrasonics goes all Camel Audio on everybody, they'll maintain it for a pretty long time. Now I have the opportunity to buy a new product if I want, for half the price. Yes I end up having to pay $750 altogether, but the thing that I got for that extra $250 was 3-4 years of using Omnisphere. All I can say is that it was worth it for me.