KVR Audio

Hank the Knife · Post by **Hank the Knife** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:31 pm

Urs must be suffering from this effect

Thanks to EvilDragon, by the way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

However, I don't know what is wrong with the text editors of today; can't get the link straight. Gentlemen.. there's work to do!

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:33 pm

Hey, since I was the first one with the correct answer, do I win the OB 8? LOL.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:35 pm

wagtunes wrote:There is no question, at least for me, that there is nothing that replaces the "thrill" of sitting behind a vintage synth and turning dials and moving sliders. This wasn't something I enjoyed with ARP synths as I hated the way they were designed, especially with those pressure pads. Didn't really like the Yamaha either. But the Moog and Oberheim synths were a joy. I could get lost in playing with them all day, which is something that's rare for a soft synth because the interface (mouse and keyboard) is so "non human" for me.

That's the one thing I miss about my hardware synths that no VST can replace. But the pros still outweigh the cons and as I am as poor as a church mouse, I simply can't afford to get all the hardware synths that I would love to have, like the new Schmidt or even the Studio Electronics Code 8, which I think sounds amazing. But good heavens, $5,000? I just don't have that kind of money.

So VSTs will have to do. Fortunately, they sound good enough that I can still make decent music with them.

You cannot even afford the Schmidt?!

It looks like a monster synth, I assume it blows the Oberheim out of the water

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:36 pm

...yes there were some real clangers of statements on this thread I was enjoying all the way through...

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:39 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:
wagtunes wrote:There is no question, at least for me, that there is nothing that replaces the "thrill" of sitting behind a vintage synth and turning dials and moving sliders. This wasn't something I enjoyed with ARP synths as I hated the way they were designed, especially with those pressure pads. Didn't really like the Yamaha either. But the Moog and Oberheim synths were a joy. I could get lost in playing with them all day, which is something that's rare for a soft synth because the interface (mouse and keyboard) is so "non human" for me.

That's the one thing I miss about my hardware synths that no VST can replace. But the pros still outweigh the cons and as I am as poor as a church mouse, I simply can't afford to get all the hardware synths that I would love to have, like the new Schmidt or even the Studio Electronics Code 8, which I think sounds amazing. But good heavens, $5,000? I just don't have that kind of money.

So VSTs will have to do. Fortunately, they sound good enough that I can still make decent music with them.
You cannot even afford the Schmidt?!
It looks like a monster synth, I assume it blows the Oberheim out of the water

I've listened to some demos of the Schmidt and while it sounds very good, IMO, it's not worth $20,000. I'm just not hearing a $20,000 synth here.

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:42 pm

I seem to remember getting quite an education from zerocrossings (again) on the obvious sound of analogue and Synth A

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:43 pm

Lotuzia wrote:Most people insist on refering to terms as 'better' / Superior/Inferior etc* when probably just *I prefer this or that* would be enough, and difference in character/sound might be the keyword. But what do I know

About the same as me.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:45 pm

Z1202 wrote:I wonder what happens if now another test is run: some OB-8 owner takes these Diva presets and dials in the same sounds in the synth. I mean, the OP was likely motivated to show that Diva sounds better than hw, so consciously or subconsciously the Diva presets could have been dialed in to sound slightly more interesting. (I'm not insisting this is the case, just pointing out a possibility). So, it would be interesting if someone with an opposite motivation made an opposite test now

Indeed. No offence to the OP, but as a soundset has been marketed here, it's pretty obvious that there was at least a little bit of bias, and the motivation to make Diva sound as good or better than the hardware in play here.

Imagine you just dialed in a bit more high end EQ on the OB-8. It would have been more similar then.

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:45 pm

analoguesamples909 wrote:I seem to remember getting quite an education from zerocrossings (again) on the obvious sound of analogue and Synth A

Golden ears indeed.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:47 pm

Lotuzia wrote:Most people insist on refering to terms as 'better' / Superior/Inferior etc* when probably just *I prefer this or that* would be enough, and difference in character/sound might be the keyword. But what do I know

Well, as the big majority of people voted for example A as the analog synth, arguing that it sounds "better", i have my doubts it's solely a preference thing. Sounds a bit more general to me.

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:49 pm

I expect the inhabitants of U-He towers can crack open a few bottles of Pils this PM with those purchases going through from all those who promised to purchase Diva if it was A

Synthetic Wav · Post by **Synthetic Wav** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:51 pm

i m glad analog still touch me in a special way..

A is to obvious and a abit fake sounding sorry, i didn tpost it, but at one point i thought if A is your analog they need servicing or i really dont like these synth, offcourse i didn t have the balls to post this as if i was wrong !

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:53 pm

Synthetic Wav wrote:i m glad analog still touch me in a special way.. A is to obvious and a abit fake sounding sorry

And of course, as usual, opinions given after the answers are absolutely worthless. Sorry.

Synthetic Wav · Post by **Synthetic Wav** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:54 pm

masterhiggins wrote:
Synthetic Wav wrote:i m glad analog still touch me in a special way.. A is to obvious and a abit fake sounding sorry
And of course, as usual, opinions given after the answers are absolutely worthless. Sorry.

read all my post in this thread

one here

Synthetic Wav wrote:true, but the one sounding best had to be the hardware for many , including me as i usually enjoy more hardware if i want analog sound.

there i really have no clue which is which. both present some analog caractere even if it's different ones, both have their pro and cons ,but i wonder if some analog caracteristic haven't been exaggerated in the way it s programed to try to fool many , could be..

i edited my post cause i wrote on synth A but it s also true for synth B so dont make any sense

To me it's synth A that exibit the most of the adjective people use to describe analog and it's the synth most choosed as hardware it seems but to me there is a hic..the sound just don't touch me, i listen more with my heart than ears that type of stuff , analog sound touch me in a special way that digital can t or not as much.. (i m consient there could be some placebo in their and i want to mention i m not a die hard analog fan, i use way more digital synth ,digital processing and fx everyday ), it make me think diva has been programed to sound more analog than these real analog synths but still can't touch some of the caracteistic of it..but i would be happy to be wrong.

and the best one

Synthetic Wav wrote:i rechecked the first video and please tell me diva is synth B , i really like more the sound , A sound kinda dead/ lifeless in comparaison , could be cause the patch seems better programed with the envelops and filter in B , more suited hmmm you try to fool us

anyway B is the best sounding there wihtout any doubt for me, the sound sample of A would need more work to sound right in my mixs and i doubt i couuld touch B punch and clarity with processing.

niceely donne you got many people wrong and i clearly was not sure which is which , but it prouved me the sound of these synths is still unmatched by diva in this test..(diva is not a ob emu if i m right) with sdrr at the output i think it would have been way harder cause it give that little exta thing and also depth when needed , but here it was clearly not needed, diva really has good depth, it just sound a bit dead and sdrr is great to make things alive.

diva, bazille,aalto from the plugs i m thinking right now with sdrr would be really tricky on some sound vs analog..it can probably be in same ballpark , probably tal 101 too but i haven't used it enought.(but love tal, this guy synths have great caractere )

something i noticed in some uhe synth that are all amazing offcourse, they tend to be dark sounding ,the tonal balance is not flat enought its too much centered on low mids ,it can lack details on the top this can make it harder to sound great in a modern mix without work imo and here in this test it probably accentuate that feeling of sounding a bit dead , i don't know how to say in english but if the tonal balance was more flat, it would affect the initial part of sounds ,transients would be better and it would sound more detailed and alive cause of this, could be wrong but it's just my feeling.

Hank the Knife · Post by **Hank the Knife** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:05 pm

'read all my post in this thread'
I did. You didn't change your opinion afaiac.

Diva vs Analogue - a real world test