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Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:45 pm

jeremydb wrote:Nope. a) everything is closed and b) I deleted the plugins before installing. New versions installed, 32-bit reporting B477.

It should not really be possible for the 64 and 32 bit versions to show different version numbers since it is a "universal binary" on OSX that handles both.

Both Denis and I just redownlaoded the installer from the store, ran it, and checked. ( I used "get info" on the Cubase 8.5 application and selected "open in 32bit mode". In Cubase I loaded KS 32-bit mode. It shows 479.)

What host are you using?

(note I also did just replace the OSX installer, so it will show a new date now, but I did the check before I replaced it... replacement was to address a reported issue with AAX.)

hangars liquides · Post by **hangars liquides** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:46 pm

What a change, at last I can enjoy the plug-in on my rather old mac.
I have an issue, which I did not notice in the V1 : I just cannot switch to x2 or 4 oversampling for offline use, there is just no drop-down menu. Elsewhere in the gui, no issues observed.
I am forgetting smt obvious or... ?

jeremydb · Post by **jeremydb** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:11 pm

Galbanum wrote:
jeremydb wrote:Nope. a) everything is closed and b) I deleted the plugins before installing. New versions installed, 32-bit reporting B477.
It should not really be possible for the 64 and 32 bit versions to show different version numbers since it is a "universal binary" on OSX that handles both.

Both Denis and I just redownlaoded the installer from the store, ran it, and checked. ( I used "get info" on the Cubase 8.5 application and selected "open in 32bit mode". In Cubase I loaded KS 32-bit mode. It shows 479.)

What host are you using?

(note I also did just replace the OSX installer, so it will show a new date now, but I did the check before I replaced it... replacement was to address a reported issue with AAX.)

I redownloaded again (new mod date today at 14:31), closed DAWs, deleted the old plugins. Opened Ableton Live in 32-bit mode, verified the deletion. Closed Live. Ran the installer. Opened Live (plugin was scanned), instantiated the plugin and... (pic attached). Not really sure what's going on, very odd behavior. I don't really see how this can be caused by anything on my system, though.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:24 pm

Delete the AU-cache, that will fix it.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:25 pm

hangars liquides wrote:What a change, at last I can enjoy the plug-in on my rather old mac.
I have an issue, which I did not notice in the V1 : I just cannot switch to x2 or 4 oversampling for offline use, there is just no drop-down menu. Elsewhere in the gui, no issues observed.
I am forgetting smt obvious or... ?

We blocked oversampling for non-AVX systems... Oversampling now requires AVX or higher machines...

As mentioned earlier in the thread, there is not really any huge reason to use OS in KS at the moment. 1x is already just about perfect. Both String and Spring resonators can already go the whole way to nyquist and are completely alias free. The only aliasing that can potentially happen is from using fast mod rates, which is a sort of a fringe usage case anyway. Mod rates usually are not faster than 1/1 period or so since this already gives a 1/1024th note timing resolution...

The only other reason to use OS is that is helps reduce detuning of harmonics in String Resonators that are caused by the "phase delay" of the various filters used in the String modes. But some degree of detuning is unavoidable depending on what type of damping filter is used, and such things happen in the real-world also in real string instruments such as piano etc. This is why concert pianos use "Stretch Tuning" if they are playing solo.

Basically Frequency is a scientific term, easily measured in Hertz if we are talking about a single sine wave. But "pitch" is a perceptual term that is much more ambiguous. Musical tones are made up of lots of "partials" at different frequencies, and the partials may not be completely "harmonic" (integer multiples), and at that point defining pitch becomes more art than science to some degree.

So partials in the KS String resonators might not be exactly harmonics depending on the Damping filter. Oversampling helps (or at least changes the result) slightly, but generally it is a subtle effect.

In short, oversampling does not currently do too much in KS, other than use a lot more CPU resources. It now requires that you have an AVX-capable CPU to use.

jeremydb · Post by **jeremydb** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:37 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:Delete the AU-cache, that will fix it.

Which AU-cache are you referring to?

The problem occurs with VSTs as well BTW. And I also can reproduce it in Max (the music software I write for a living). So it's unrelated to host or plugin format.

Jeremy

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:40 pm

jeremydb wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Delete the AU-cache, that will fix it.
Which AU-cache are you referring to?

The problem occurs with VSTs as well BTW. And I also can reproduce it in Max (the music software I write for a living). So it's unrelated to host or plugin format.

Jeremy

User (YOU)/Library/Caches/com.apple.audiounits.cache

jeremydb · Post by **jeremydb** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:42 pm

Tried it and restarted. No dice. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:43 pm

jeremydb wrote:Tried it and restarted. No dice. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

So it did a full re-scan of all AUs and you still have the old version appearing? That's voodoo stuff.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:47 pm

jeremydb wrote:Tried it and restarted. No dice. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Odd... Denis will explore some more tomorrow. He's out for the day now.

I suspect this must just be some weird reporting issue and you must be actually using 479. I can't reproduce so far...

BTW, what's the reason to use 32bit on OSX anymore anyway? is there anything out there that is still not 64bit compatible these days?

jeremydb · Post by **jeremydb** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:50 pm

Galbanum wrote:
jeremydb wrote:Tried it and restarted. No dice. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Odd... Denis will explore some more tomorrow. He's out for the day now.

I suspect this must just be some weird reporting issue and you must be actually using 479. I can't reproduce so far...

BTW, what's the reason to use 32bit on OSX anymore anyway? is there anything out there that is still not 64bit compatible these days?

Thanks, feel free to put him in touch with me directly (jeremy (at) cycling74 (dot) com) if he needs addl info.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:20 am

So how many people use KS with a monitor size of less than 2560*1440 pixels?

asking for a friend...

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:34 am

Yesterday something weird happened with KS, all over sudden it stopped working, images were loaded, tuning files installed, preset selected - then Logic crashed several times when trying to re-load that project with crashlogs pointing to “audplg.dylib“ - finally I had to re-install KS to get it working again. Never happened before but that one was strange. Apparently audplg.dylib got corrupted somehow.

lxegs · Post by **lxegs** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:24 pm

I m using a 1920*1080 monitor !

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:40 pm

1280*1024

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