Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[Dasheesh]

I have two or three inputs. First, did synapse advertise or claim that this was a faithful reproduction of any classic hardware? Second, if it sounds good play it. Third, I have never own a moog but have owned macbeths (m3x) etc. and software always lacks the dynamics of hardware because so much of hardware is locked up in the hardware it's self and it doesn't matter, but if you want a more faithful emulation I would trust the guys who own the hardware over a video.

[Ingonator]

My point is not to prove that Legend is not capable of extreme modulations, my point was that i want to hear what it sounds like doing those. In german we say "die Spreu vom Weizen trennen", when it comes to that behavior in modelled VA synths. Some synths are very capable of modelling that behavior, like Monark, others aren't, e.g. Steinberg Retrologue. Don't get me wrong, Retrologue is an okay synth, it's just that it doesn't get very snappy, or handles extreme modulations very well. "Well" being that it gets really wild when applying those.

Both the Antodote RE and the 2.5 update for DUNE 2 (bot hby Synapse Audio) included zero-delay feedback filters so it is very likely that this technology is also used in The Legend.

Zero-Delay feedback filters are know to handle both self-oscillation and extreme filter modulations nicely.

Many synths including e.g. Retroogue and also Arturia Mini V do notseem to involve this technology. For exampl at Self-oscillation Mini V sounds a bit noisy at higher octaves (even if Mini V3 has an updated filter) which is not a sign of "analog behavior" if taht was your idea about this. with both Monark and Teh GLehgend it sounds clean at higher octaves.
In the factory presets of The Öegend there should be a preset called "Self-Osc Sine Ld IW" that was done by myself.

I have two or three inputs. First, did synapse advertise or claim that this was a faithful reproduction of any classic hardware? Second, if it sounds good play it.

it IS a faiithful emulation but also with a few advanced features added (but you donÄt have to use them if you don't want).

[Cinebient]

I'd be interested if The Legend is nearly as snappy as Monark is, and how it behaves with LFO modulation in audio rate. Monark is very good in that regard, sound demos, or demoing it myself has yet to prove that Legend is capable of similar.

Using both Osc 3 and the Noise as mod sources works nicekly in The Legend.

Are you allowed to post some sound demos, preferrably showign the extreme modulations, and the snappiness (short filter envelope deacy time)? I mean, it's practically released as a RE now.

I would not post any demo before teh VST/AU is finally out.

Anyway why show The Legend not be capable of extreme modulations?

It could be also quite snappy and i done a preset called "Schnappi Bass IW" ("Schanppi" is based on a song in german about a crocodile that was done by a little girl/child several years ago).

Schni, Schna, Schnappi...Schnappi, Schnappi, Schnapp.... time for a remix

[AnX]

I dont care how close to Minimoog synth does sound to be honest.

Isn't that the whole point?

No, but apearently you take this as a point because thats what you want to see being a point.

And the problem for me with Synapse Emulation, i cannot hear that, it sounds like very good sounding software virtual analog synthesizer. There is nothing wrong with it but it does not convince me its a real deal. Add to that for example U-He Hive does not even trying to be any emulation or analog instrument, but virtual instrument, but it feels so much more real, alive, what you can hear in Monark.

And not that its not like Moog, but it lacks the depth, the "realnes" in the sound (sorry cant think of any other word), the presence.

Again, you havent tried it yourself, and you dont have a reference. You really are talking utter crap.

Its a MM emulation. That is THE point. Its made and sold as such. That is what users are expecting. Same as any emulation. Its not a random synth the looks like a MM by accident

[chk071]

My point is not to prove that Legend is not capable of extreme modulations, my point was that i want to hear what it sounds like doing those. In german we say "die Spreu vom Weizen trennen", when it comes to that behavior in modelled VA synths. Some synths are very capable of modelling that behavior, like Monark, others aren't, e.g. Steinberg Retrologue. Don't get me wrong, Retrologue is an okay synth, it's just that it doesn't get very snappy, or handles extreme modulations very well. "Well" being that it gets really wild when applying those.

Both the Antodote RE and the 2.5 update for DUNE 2 (bot hby Synapse Audio) included zero-delay feedback filters so it is very likely that this technology is also used in The Legend.

Zero-Delay feedback filters are know to handle both self-oscillation and extreme filter modulations nicely.

Many synths including e.g. Retroogue and also Arturia Mini V do notseem to involve this technology. For exampl at Self-oscillation Mini V sounds a bit noisy at higher octaves (even if Mini V3 has an updated filter) which is not a sign of "analog behavior" if taht was your idea about this. with both Monark and Teh GLehgend it sounds clean at higher octaves.

Right, that's a good point as the synths i tried which feature ZDF filters indeed are very snappy, and handle extreme modulations well. At least those which were modelled to behave like that, Roland modelled synths are usually not that snappy, but i figure that's because the original synths weren't extremely snappy too.

[chk071]

Another info, copy pasted from the Reasontalk forums thread:

Is the reverb the same as in DR-1 and antidote?

No, it is a new development. In order to match The Legend's vintage theme, it is inspired by the classic 224 hall program which was heavily used in the late 70s and 80s. Since it is a modulated reverb, it is ideal for synthetic sounds. I believe Vangelis used it a lot (Blade Runner), for example.

Richard

[Teksonik]

And the problem for me with Synapse Emulation, i cannot hear that, it sounds like very good sounding software virtual analog synthesizer.

Why don't you wait to actually try The Legend demo before you form an opinion ?

[Teksonik]

snappy

Define snappy in real world terms please.

[fluffy_little_something]

Snappy means the sound starts before you play the key.

[chk071]

snappy

Define snappy in real world terms please.

Simply the speed of the envelopes really, and behavior of filter resonance. Dial in about 75 % of filter envelope modulation amount, set attack to 0, dial in a little bit of decay, sustain to about 50 %, turn down the filter frequency, turn up the resonance, and listen to the blips, beeps and bangs, depending on filter cutoff, and envelope amount settings.

I'm not sure if that is a feasible explanation for you, but i'm really not sure how to define sound in words. I think about everyone who fiddles with synths understands "snappiness" though, or at least should know remotely what it means. Especially with high resonance values, analog filters can become crazily "snappy". Some people also call that "bang" in the envelopes or filters i believe. I don't really know how else to describe it. For me, it's a very pleasant effect, and something, which gives synths "character". Yes, another of those esoteric terms, but, again, how do you describe sound in words? Why do we make music, if we could just write poems.

[Cinebient]

[Ingonator]

Not sure if this was already posted here but today shortly after midnight finally there was also an announcement at the Synapse Audio Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/SynapseAudioOfficial

The Legend RE is now available in the Propellerhead shop:
https://shop.propellerheads.se/…/synaps ... end-synthe…/
The VST and AU versions will follow very soon.

[Nielzie]

snappy

Define snappy in real world terms please.

Simply the speed of the envelopes really, and behavior of filter resonance. Dial in about 75 % of filter envelope modulation amount, set attack to 0, dial in a little bit of decay, sustain to about 50 %, turn down the filter frequency, turn up the resonance, and listen to the blips, beeps and bangs, depending on filter cutoff, and envelope amount settings.

I'm not sure if that is a feasible explanation for you, but i'm really not sure how to define sound in words. I think about everyone who fiddles with synths understands "snappiness" though, or at least should know remotely what it means. Especially with high resonance values, analog filters can become crazily "snappy". Some people also call that "bang" in the envelopes or filters i believe. I don't really know how else to describe it. For me, it's a very pleasant effect, and something, which gives synths "character". Yes, another of those esoteric terms, but, again, how do you describe sound in words? Why do we make music, if we could just write poems.

Snappy (fast) envelopes are quite a common term here. Snappiness of filters are not, but you mean how the filter (resonating) reacts when modulated by fast envelope settings I guess from your explanation

[Teksonik]

I think about everyone who fiddles with synths understands "snappiness" though, or at least should know remotely what it means.

I think most of us know the term Snappy has as much meaning as "Warm" or "Punchy".

Snappy means the sound starts before you play the key.

[chk071]

snappy

Define snappy in real world terms please.

Simply the speed of the envelopes really, and behavior of filter resonance. Dial in about 75 % of filter envelope modulation amount, set attack to 0, dial in a little bit of decay, sustain to about 50 %, turn down the filter frequency, turn up the resonance, and listen to the blips, beeps and bangs, depending on filter cutoff, and envelope amount settings.

I'm not sure if that is a feasible explanation for you, but i'm really not sure how to define sound in words. I think about everyone who fiddles with synths understands "snappiness" though, or at least should know remotely what it means. Especially with high resonance values, analog filters can become crazily "snappy". Some people also call that "bang" in the envelopes or filters i believe. I don't really know how else to describe it. For me, it's a very pleasant effect, and something, which gives synths "character". Yes, another of those esoteric terms, but, again, how do you describe sound in words? Why do we make music, if we could just write poems.

Snappy (fast) envelopes are quite a common term here. Snappiness of filters are not, but you mean how the filter (resonating) reacts when modulated by fast envelope settings I guess from your explanation

Both kind of, if that makes sense. In my experience, there's also a difference in resonance behavior, when modulated, throughout different synths. For example a Tone2 synth has a different resonance behavior than a u-he synth. On some older Tone2 synths, the resonance kind of broke apart for example, with audio rate LFO modulation, when you cranked it really up.