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Googly Smythe
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Postby Googly Smythe; Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:16 am Re: That's really too much now

Numanoid wrote:Windows 10 updates have been quiet for some time.

But when checking for updates today (first time since last week), seems Microsoft are back in action.

Download was over 2GB, dealing with cummulative updates KB4013429 and updates KB 4013418

Maybe this accounts for some of the bloat...
https://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2017 ... ell-right/
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Postby incubus; Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:03 pm Re: That's really too much now

It's really a shame that MS has forced this onto the masses in such a deliberate and borg-like way.

It really runs very well overall, I like it.
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Postby metamorphosis; Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:53 pm Re: That's really too much now

MS to block any new computer from obtaining security updates for Windows 7 or 8.

https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-t ... e-support/

Go f**k yourselves, is essentially what I think they are telling us.
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Postby fmr; Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:22 am Re: That's really too much now

metamorphosis wrote:MS to block any new computer from obtaining security updates for Windows 7 or 8.

https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-t ... e-support/

Go f**k yourselves, is essentially what I think they are telling us.
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1. This is just an impression of the author, not confirmed nor denied officially;
2. It isn't yet implemented (assuming it will be) so, this isn't the case (yet);
3. If what the author say is true, this will only apply to the newest Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's recently-released Ryzenthat CPUs. If you assemble a computer with any other CPU (like Skylake, for example, which I would dare to say is the mainstream CPU currently), you will still be able to download security upgrades in the future, still (even if this measure will effectively be implemented);
4. In three years, official support for Windows 7 willl end, which means you will not receive security upgrades anymore;
5. Regarding Windows 8, I can't see why would anyone that is running Windows 8 not upgrade to Windows 8.1 anyway :shrug:
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Postby metamorphosis; Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:22 am Re: That's really too much now

fmr wrote:1. This is just an impression of the author, not confirmed nor denied officially;


Nope. Wrong.

fmr wrote:3. If what the author say is true, this will only apply to the newest Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's recently-released Ryzenthat CPUs. If you assemble a computer with any other CPU (like Skylake, for example, which I would dare to say is the mainstream CPU currently), you will still be able to download security upgrades in the future, still (even if this measure will effectively be implemented);


Not actually relevant to what I or the article stated.

fmr wrote:4. In three years, official support for Windows 7 willl end, which means you will not receive security upgrades anymore;


Neat. Well, three years of viruses for users then, and the end of herd immunity on all non-supported platforms. Way to go fuckwits.

fmr wrote:5. Regarding Windows 8, I can't see why would anyone that is running Windows 8 not upgrade to Windows 8.1 anyway :shrug:


Ugh. Read the article. Even if what you'd stated was correct, it wouldn't change the fact that this is an absolutely shit thing to do to users, period.
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Postby fmr; Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:37 am Re: That's really too much now

metamorphosis wrote:
fmr wrote:1. This is just an impression of the author, not confirmed nor denied officially;


Nope. Wrong.

Wrong how?

metamorphosis wrote:
fmr wrote:3. If what the author say is true, this will only apply to the newest Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's recently-released Ryzenthat CPUs. If you assemble a computer with any other CPU (like Skylake, for example, which I would dare to say is the mainstream CPU currently), you will still be able to download security upgrades in the future, still (even if this measure will effectively be implemented);


Not actually relevant to what I or the article stated.

Completely relevant. You are assuming that ALL users will go for the high end CPOU, which is hardly the case, and those who go, may end using Windows 10, anyway.

metamorphosis wrote:
fmr wrote:4. In three years, official support for Windows 7 willl end, which means you will not receive security upgrades anymore;


Neat. Well, three years of viruses for users then, and the end of herd immunity on all non-supported platforms. Way to go fuckwits.

NOT three years, because, even assuming what the author wrote is true, it wasn't implement yet. Besides, security upgrades do NOT protect you against virus, or malware. They just solve security vulnerabilities that are discovered in the OS. The main vulnerabilty of a system is, and will always be, the user, and there's no security upgrade that protects against that one.

metamorphosis wrote:
fmr wrote:5. Regarding Windows 8, I can't see why would anyone that is running Windows 8 not upgrade to Windows 8.1 anyway :shrug:


Ugh. Read the article. Even if what you'd stated was correct, it wouldn't change the fact that this is an absolutely shit thing to do to users, period.

I am using Windows 7 myself, but I can understand that Microsoft will not be willing to support Windows 7 forever. That said, if the uproar will be loud enough, they will probably NOT implement that limitation (which, and I state again, IS NOT YET IMPLEMENTED, which means that, for the time being, it's nothing else than a rumour).

Anyway, if I was going to assemble a new machine right now, I would probably choose a Skylake CPU like this one: http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Int ... o-4_20-GHz (good enough, and a considerably better value for the money), therefore, I would not be at risk, anyway :shrug:
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Postby metamorphosis; Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:16 pm Re: That's really too much now

The new restriction (that has now gone through, because when you put out a knowledgebase article, that's what's going to happen) is also blocking some earlier processors - pentium D and on some forums, atoms:
https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/commen ... n/dfaxs3x/

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showp ... stcount=47
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Postby Numanoid; Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:31 am Re: That's really too much now

Googly Smythe wrote:
Numanoid wrote:Windows 10 updates have been quiet for some time.

But when checking for updates today (first time since last week), seems Microsoft are back in action.

Download was over 2GB, dealing with cummulative updates KB4013429 and updates KB 4013418

Maybe this accounts for some of the bloat...
https://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2017 ... ell-right/

I got another update today, guzzling 1.5GB SSD space once downloaded

KB4015438: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel ... -kb4015438

Who still plays DVDs ?
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Postby Numanoid; Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:34 am Re: That's really too much now

metamorphosis wrote:MS to block any new computer from obtaining security updates for Windows 7 or 8.

Where is the beef? No new computers ship with Win 7 or 8 anyhow these days :shrug:
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Postby Dominus; Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:01 am Re: That's really too much now

Numanoid wrote:
metamorphosis wrote:MS to block any new computer from obtaining security updates for Windows 7 or 8.

Where is the beef? No new computers ship with Win 7 or 8 anyhow these days :shrug:


Wrong.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/th ... 60/#SYSTEM

"Windows 7 Professional 64 preinstalled through downgrade rights in Windows 10 Pro"
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Postby bustedfist; Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:03 am Re: That's really too much now

Numanoid wrote:
metamorphosis wrote:MS to block any new computer from obtaining security updates for Windows 7 or 8.

Where is the beef? No new computers ship with Win 7 or 8 anyhow these days :shrug:


Some of us wipe the drive upon delivery and install a bloat free OS we know works with our kit. Some build their own systems and like to use an OS they know works. And the beat goes on....
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Postby Kaine; Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:26 am Re: That's really too much now

Dominus wrote:
Wrong.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/th ... 60/#SYSTEM

"Windows 7 Professional 64 preinstalled through downgrade rights in Windows 10 Pro"


This has annoyed me recently too as its not true downgrade rights when they get to charge you for both revisions of the OS; just let people sell the damn version that the client asks for.
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Postby Astralv; Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:29 am Re: That's really too much now

New Windows update (as serious as Anniversary update) is expected for April 11th of this year. Good luck, everyone.
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Postby fmr; Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:40 am Re: That's really too much now

Astralv wrote:New Windows update (as serious as Anniversary update) is expected for April 11th of this year. Good luck, everyone.

Actually, I have it running now, and after some hassles in the interim versions, it looks like a really good update (better and more useful than Anniversary Edition, IMO)
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Postby Astralv; Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:22 pm Re: That's really too much now

How do you know this is 'it"?
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