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Caine123
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Postby Caine123; Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:51 am j37 vs satin?

I got satin but does waves j37 somehow has anything which makes it worth for 29 bucks atm?

gas is calling ;)
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exmatproton
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Postby exmatproton; Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:57 am Re: j37 vs satin?

Caine123 wrote:I got satin but does waves j37 somehow has anything which makes it worth for 29 bucks atm?

gas is calling ;)


I find them both creating (a) very different effect(s). J37 @ 29 bucks is a steal. I love them both
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Robert Randolph
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1796 posts since 25 May, 2003, from Saint Petersburg, Florida

Postby Robert Randolph; Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:12 am Re: j37 vs satin?

exmatproton wrote:
Caine123 wrote:I got satin but does waves j37 somehow has anything which makes it worth for 29 bucks atm?

gas is calling ;)


I find them both creating (a) very different effect(s). J37 @ 29 bucks is a steal. I love them both


Yeah j37 is much dirtier sounding in a pleasant way. It's more of a cool saturation plug-in.

Satin sounds much closer to my experience of working with real tape machines.
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heyheycnv
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Postby heyheycnv; Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:14 pm Re: j37 vs satin?

If you use Satin and love all it can do I would say don't bother with the J37. I tried out it out as a demo. I was very underwhelmed and frustrated with how little it could do compared to Satin and how one note it sounded. If you want to spend 30 bucks on a great saturation plugin with the depth of Satin get Klanghelm's SDRR.

Out of all these recent Wave's daily discounts the only ones I have purchased were the REDD because I really like how it sounds and Abbey Road Vinyl because of it's novelty. The rest of the vintage recreation plugins I have passed on so far because they really have not done or sounded any better than ones I have already bought or found for free.
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Postby simon.a.billington; Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:24 am Re: j37 vs satin?

exmatproton wrote: J37 @ 29 bucks is a steal. I love them both


I can't give you a fair evaluation since I've never used Satin, but J37 is quite capable and when you consider the above statement, it does make it hard to just walk by.

Although I'm getting $69 on it at the moment. However an email just came in for PuigTec at $29
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Postby db3; Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:35 am Re: j37 vs satin?

I have Softube Tape which is great, but I just snapped up J37 for $24.99 from Plugin Discounts (expect that price will be gone soon). I'll likely use J37 as more of a creative effect....really liking the saturation sound on bass.
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Postby realmarco; Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:14 pm Re: j37 vs satin?

the j37 is a plugin of the actual machines the beatles used at abbey road.

did Uhe actually go there to measure the machines ?
or was is just a lets-look-at-the-circuit-blueprints

what i like about softubes is that they have videos on how they develop their plugins thats what U-he is missing imo
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simon.a.billington
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Postby simon.a.billington; Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:32 pm Re: j37 vs satin?

realmarco wrote:the j37 is a plugin of the actual machines the beatles used at abbey road.

did Uhe actually go there to measure the machines ?
or was is just a lets-look-at-the-circuit-blueprints

what i like about softubes is that they have videos on how they develop their plugins thats what U-he is missing imo


This makes a valid point. The J37 was extensively measured, tested, compared, refined, compared again... over the course of a year or two.

In the case of the Abbey Road Plates, it was considered that even the room the devices were modelled in contributed to the sound of the physical vibrating medium. So that was modelled as well.

This is only all really important if accurate "emulation" is what you are going for. I can't help but feel people get too lost in seeking the most accurate, they seem forget the point of what it actually means for the music, or for the listener.

Often times the fact that the tape emulation sounds like tape, any tape, is good enough. It will do the job it was designed to do.

Over using this type of tech can be more damaging than not using any at all. That should also be taken into consideration.
djmino02
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Postby djmino02; Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:18 am Re: j37 vs satin?

I think Satin isn't comparable to any other plugins. If you're looking for saturation then I highly recommend Decapitator.
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Urs
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21012 posts since 7 Aug, 2002, from Berlin

Postby Urs; Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:43 am Re: j37 vs satin?

simon.a.billington wrote:
realmarco wrote:the j37 is a plugin of the actual machines the beatles used at abbey road.

did Uhe actually go there to measure the machines ?
or was is just a lets-look-at-the-circuit-blueprints

what i like about softubes is that they have videos on how they develop their plugins thats what U-he is missing imo


This makes a valid point.

So if we post a video with one of our guys listening to a Studer with an oscilloscope draped in the background, Satin miraculously sounds better?
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martinjuenke
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Postby martinjuenke; Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:08 am Re: j37 vs satin?

I've had J37 and deleted it because i'st imo too gimmicky and less sound improving. I used Toneboosters Reel after that and it was fine. Then I tried Satin and it has been better for my purposes...
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sascha
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Postby sascha; Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:49 am Re: j37 vs satin?

Urs wrote:So if we post a video with one of our guys listening to a Studer with an oscilloscope draped in the background, Satin miraculously sounds better?


Hang on, almost done.

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Postby virtualpt; Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:49 am Re: j37 vs satin?

Urs wrote:So if we post a video with one of our guys listening to a Studer with an oscilloscope draped in the background, Satin miraculously sounds better?


LOL. Excellent response Urs, brightened up my day :D
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Postby donkey tugger; Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:55 am Re: j37 vs satin?

sascha wrote:
Urs wrote:So if we post a video with one of our guys listening to a Studer with an oscilloscope draped in the background, Satin miraculously sounds better?


Hang on, almost done.

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Urs
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Postby Urs; Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:30 am Re: j37 vs satin?

It's *not* true that developers at u-he are locked up in the basement closet :tantrum:

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