KVR Audio

Aliens · Post by **Aliens** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:44 am

Jupiter 6 and Poly61?

K-Bee · Post by **K-Bee** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:24 am

annode wrote:I understand you. Shame about the 'Advance', but you get a transport controller from it, as you said

Yeah, a €500 transport controller

What HW synths do you own btw?

annode · Post by **annode** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:43 pm

K-Bee wrote:
annode wrote:I understand you. Shame about the 'Advance', but you get a transport controller from it, as you said
Yeah, a €500 transport controller
What HW synths do you own btw?

I mentioned two of them...
- Yamaha CS6R module
- prophet 5 (in the closet)
- Korg T3 (half weighted, I use as my main keyboard controller and as an expanded M1)
- Roland SP808 system with two internal monosynths. With the optional OP-1 interface (6 analog outs, 2 digital I/Os, SCSI) I use the digital I/O into the RME audio card. This will also turn the SP 808 transport into the main system transport. I found a program that acts as a virtual 4x4 keypad that allow you to drop .wav files into each button, transferring those samples digitally into the machine. Any audio in that machine get into my DAW either from digital I/O or audio out.
- Alesis DM5 drum controller/processor (not a synth exactly but worth mentioning)

K-Bee · Post by **K-Bee** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:16 am

I remember the Korg T-series when originally out. I thought they sounded like sheer synth heaven! And back then the keybeds were made for actually playing (unlike today)
The Yamaha CS6R looks reasonably priced and I'm not familiar with. Something to look into I reckon.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:08 pm

Aliens wrote:Jupiter 6 and Poly61?

That's right. There's also a Teisco 60F and a Bass Station rack, as well as something by Yamaha( or Korg) that I don't remember.

annode · Post by **annode** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:08 pm

K-Bee wrote:I remember the Korg T-series when originally out. I thought they sounded like sheer synth heaven! And back then the keybeds were made for actually playing (unlike today)

Yes, it is a nice machine. No need for the workstation section anymore. 'Combi mode' allows you to stack instrument voices and some of those combi pads patches are pretty dreamy.
If you sustain a chord indefinitely, the oscillators resonate with one another softly and ambient like textures emerge after 10 mins or so.

Bad thing about Korg keyboards...they have a very sloped velocity curve. Some ppl say they need to really hit the key hard to get a 128 velocity. Mine stays much below 128 no matter what. I don't like it, but I live with it. I read that it's in the design and not a defect.

The Yamaha CS6R looks reasonably priced and I'm not familiar with. Something to look into I reckon.

Maybe, maybe not. Many of the presets are out of date long ago accept for the emulation keys such as pianos, organs, Wurlitzers, strings and the like. If your into sound design and your able to host the full editor program, it can be a new career for you.

this modeling beast goes incredibly deep.
EDIT - That editor I now see comes with the included CD and probably would not run higher then WinXP. I wouldn't recommend the CS6R without the editor.

Aliens · Post by **Aliens** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:18 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
Aliens wrote:Jupiter 6 and Poly61?
That's right. There's also a Teisco 60F and a Bass Station rack, as well as something by Yamaha( or Korg) that I don't remember.

Nice

I've always favoured the JP6 over the JP8.
Definitely on my will buy when I in lotto list, though to be fair, I'd get both.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:02 am

annode wrote:My system is such;
- 8x8 USB midi controller - that allows me to send and receive midi from HW as well as from one to another.
- 8 channels of audio in/out (ADAT)
- 2 patch bay/panels for HW (keys/effects)routing from/to 12 channel analog mixer.( I also use this Roland mixer for analog 'summing' at times.
- 8 channel analog mixer out to monitors carrying 12 CH mixer monitor out and RME stereo out.
If I wanted to double my tracking power I could print to my TEAC 4 track but I never do so many tracks.
Since HW synths interface as USB now, I don't think it's common anymore to see 8x8 midi controllers...and older ones with older drivers don't work with newer OS. This sucks for those who have or want old HW synths.
Maybe 4x4 cntrls can be daisy chained.

My setup is old school but I can do just about anything with it and do it easily, so I remain in the past. haha

OMFG! How do you deal with noise? It must be unbearable. Two analogue mixers, and not good ones at that, you'd be peaking the meters with nothing playing, wouldn't you? Your set-up is everything I wanted to escape from when I started looking at working with computers, and my hardware signal paths were much shorter than yours. Where are your effects?

annode · Post by **annode** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:37 am

BONES sez;

OMFG! How do you deal with noise? It must be unbearable. Two analogue mixers, and not good ones at that, you'd be peaking the meters with nothing playing, wouldn't you? Your set-up is everything I wanted to escape from when I started looking at working with computers, and my hardware signal paths were much shorter than yours. Where are your effects?

What are you looking at? In the above description the Roland mixer is used if I ADAT and want analog mixer in the production sound. The other mixer is for monitoring. If I want ITB I have that as well. I didn't write my HW effects above because I was describing my audio routing. I have 1 dedicated HW reverb and a HW multi-effects processor as well as the effects in the Roland SP808. I can send/return in the mixer or direct insert.

What I've found over the yrs is how much it's the talent and skill of the home producer that makes the music sound good. You have the best equipment and just as easily suck.
Talented ppl can squeeze music from crap.

K-Bee · Post by **K-Bee** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:43 am

annode wrote:Many of the presets are out of date long ago accept for the emulation keys such as pianos, organs, Wurlitzers, strings and the like

You had me at "out of date"

- I happen to love stuff like the Roland D110, M1, DX7 factory presets so now I'm very interested in the CS6! My music is very "80s/90s digital synth" laden ans as far from contemporary as you're likely to get

You rarely see those 90s Yamaha rack synths/romplers sold 2nd hand over here whereas the Rolands from the same era are for sale quite often.

As for Korg's keys, I can't really remember much about the velocity, it's 20+ since I tried the T3. Hitting the 127 mark on my Roland A90 isn't that easy either but of course that one has fully weighted keys. On many newer keyboards I'm even afraid to try getting full velocity. I'm afraid they might break! Build quality isn't what it used to be.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:18 pm

Aliens wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
Aliens wrote:Jupiter 6 and Poly61?
That's right. There's also a Teisco 60F and a Bass Station rack, as well as something by Yamaha( or Korg) that I don't remember.
Nice

I've always favoured the JP6 over the JP8.
Definitely on my will buy when I in lotto list, though to be fair, I'd get both.

Me too.

I miss the Jupiter 6, but unfortunately it wasn't mine. I think its been sold since then. I had to let the Poly 61 go when I was hard up. Wish I'd hung onto it tbh.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:30 am

annode wrote:What I've found over the yrs is how much it's the talent and skill of the home producer that makes the music sound good. You have the best equipment and just as easily suck.
Talented ppl can squeeze music from crap.

That still doesn't answer the question - how do you deal with the noise? And whilst talented people may be able to squeeze anything from crap, they'll do a much better job more easily with the best tools. From your own descriptions it is obvious you are making everything much harder than it needs to be and I can't see any upside to the way you are working at all.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:33 am

BONES wrote:
annode wrote:What I've found over the yrs is how much it's the talent and skill of the home producer that makes the music sound good. You have the best equipment and just as easily suck.
Talented ppl can squeeze music from crap.
That still doesn't answer the question - how do you deal with the noise? And whilst talented people may be able to squeeze anything from crap - I released an album of songs recorded live to cassette - they'll do a much better job more easily with the best tools. From your own descriptions it is obvious you are making everything much harder than it needs to be and I can't see any upside to the way you are working at all.

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:43 am

My workspace is a total mess right now. I'm really bad about putting my toys away.

I just finished building an interface for connecting FX pedals to my modular and I left all my soldering stuff out.

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:50 am

thecontrolcentre wrote:I found some pictures of my setup during 1999 ... please forgive the hideous carpet

I love seeing that Teisco 60f in all of your studio shots over the years.

Lets see some studio pics