RPH,
(1) Could you send me the preset "PulseFM" which is having the problem.
(2) Also, I'm not seeing any difference before and after loading the GUI with SawPulsePWMbass.
Is there a later version of that preset you could send me?
(3) Do you have any other DAW's than FL Studio, does it happen with those DAW's also?
(4) Also, is the problem only happening with Waveforms Pulse and FM?
If not, please send me a preset with the same problem without using Pulse with FM.
Using Pulse with FM is using an unbalanced waveform with FM and it will normally create
such strange and distorted results, that it's difficult to tell when there is a bug and when there isn't.
(5) If you could send me a FM preset that is more normal sounding that has the before and after GUI
loading distortion problem, then it will be easier for me to debug.
Thanks!
Fathom Synth Development Thread
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1584 posts since 25 Mar, 2017
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- KVRian
- 1498 posts since 21 Nov, 2005 from The Netherlands
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This should be the same version as you have.
3: I tried in Renoise, there the same thing happens with PulseFM(new).
Good thing I keep all updates of Fathom, installed version 1.0.12 (32bit) and placed my presets there.
When I then load up the preset it sounds how it should sound.
I made a video comparing the previous update with this update, only difference is 32 vs 64 bit.
Download ( rightclick > save-as ): Video comparison
Note: sorry i thought you were talking about pulseFM, also made a video of SawPulsePWMbass:
First the previous version, dist amount is correct.. nice and crunchy. Next the new update with weird dist.
Download: Video comparison 2
4: I'll go thru all my presets, I only found out after going thru my song ideas.
5: It's difficult for me to create something normal sounding
Sure, i'll do some more testing and share the preset here.
Edit:
Checked all my presets, only both PulseFM presets and SawPulsePWMbass sound weird.
I'll do some more digging, probably some modulator causing this.
Edit2:
In Renoise also with the previous version of Fathom the GUI bug is there.
I'll strip the preset to see which component is the cause.
3: I tried in Renoise, there the same thing happens with PulseFM(new).
Good thing I keep all updates of Fathom, installed version 1.0.12 (32bit) and placed my presets there.
When I then load up the preset it sounds how it should sound.
I made a video comparing the previous update with this update, only difference is 32 vs 64 bit.
Download ( rightclick > save-as ): Video comparison
Note: sorry i thought you were talking about pulseFM, also made a video of SawPulsePWMbass:
First the previous version, dist amount is correct.. nice and crunchy. Next the new update with weird dist.
Download: Video comparison 2
4: I'll go thru all my presets, I only found out after going thru my song ideas.
5: It's difficult for me to create something normal sounding
Sure, i'll do some more testing and share the preset here.
Edit:
Checked all my presets, only both PulseFM presets and SawPulsePWMbass sound weird.
I'll do some more digging, probably some modulator causing this.
Edit2:
In Renoise also with the previous version of Fathom the GUI bug is there.
I'll strip the preset to see which component is the cause.
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- KVRian
- 1498 posts since 21 Nov, 2005 from The Netherlands
GUI bug:
Found the problem after stripping my preset, it's NOT an audiocomponent but the polar morph filter..
When I save my project, close Renoise, then restart it and load my project...there is no sound untill I open the GUI.
To reproduce:
Start a testproject with some notes. Strip all components from SawPulsePWmbass except Analog SAW and Filter Pol.
Save the preset, close the application, reopen it, load the testproject and press play ( you'll hear nothing ). Then open the GUI to get sound back.
This also happened in the previous version of Fathom.
Cheers!
Rob.
Found the problem after stripping my preset, it's NOT an audiocomponent but the polar morph filter..
When I save my project, close Renoise, then restart it and load my project...there is no sound untill I open the GUI.
To reproduce:
Start a testproject with some notes. Strip all components from SawPulsePWmbass except Analog SAW and Filter Pol.
Save the preset, close the application, reopen it, load the testproject and press play ( you'll hear nothing ). Then open the GUI to get sound back.
This also happened in the previous version of Fathom.
Cheers!
Rob.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1584 posts since 25 Mar, 2017
Great detective work!
OK, I found both problems (its actually 2 problems).
The polar filter was always broken, and the audio is silent until the GUI is loaded
because it was never saving the polar points to xml, which is why loading the GUI
which sends the view points to the processor fixes it.
The FM distortion is caused by an experiment I made in the last release,
of using modulated parameters in the FM Modulator when it is fed into the FM Carrier.
I did this because I thought people might like to modulate parameters in the FM modulator object,
but it was not realistic, because it breaks backwards compatibility with everyone's current presets,
which you discovered.
Also, FM is already complex enough if the Carrier parameters are modulated,
and using the modulated version of the object for the FM Modulator, creates
such a complex waveform it just sounds like distorted mush.
So I'll change it back to the way it was.
Tomorrow I'll give you a test release to verify both problems, and then I'll issue a global bug fix release.
OK, I found both problems (its actually 2 problems).
The polar filter was always broken, and the audio is silent until the GUI is loaded
because it was never saving the polar points to xml, which is why loading the GUI
which sends the view points to the processor fixes it.
The FM distortion is caused by an experiment I made in the last release,
of using modulated parameters in the FM Modulator when it is fed into the FM Carrier.
I did this because I thought people might like to modulate parameters in the FM modulator object,
but it was not realistic, because it breaks backwards compatibility with everyone's current presets,
which you discovered.
Also, FM is already complex enough if the Carrier parameters are modulated,
and using the modulated version of the object for the FM Modulator, creates
such a complex waveform it just sounds like distorted mush.
So I'll change it back to the way it was.
Tomorrow I'll give you a test release to verify both problems, and then I'll issue a global bug fix release.
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- KVRian
- 1498 posts since 21 Nov, 2005 from The Netherlands
Ah, good that you found the issues.FathomSynth wrote:
So I'll change it back to the way it was.
Tomorrow I'll give you a test release to verify both problems, and then I'll issue a global bug fix release.
Sure, send me the test release when done!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1584 posts since 25 Mar, 2017
OK, I fixed both problems.
I sent you a beta release to make sure it works and then I'll issue a global release with the fixes.
Next release after that will include an 8 channel non-linear Phasor.
Something I've been trying to fit in for a long time.
I sent you a beta release to make sure it works and then I'll issue a global release with the fixes.
Next release after that will include an 8 channel non-linear Phasor.
Something I've been trying to fit in for a long time.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1584 posts since 25 Mar, 2017
Version 1.0.14 Released.
www.fathomsynth.com/updates
It is highly recommended that you update to this version, as it fixes instabilities in the polar morph filter.
www.fathomsynth.com/updates
It is highly recommended that you update to this version, as it fixes instabilities in the polar morph filter.
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- KVRAF
- 3505 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
Many thanks for your hard work and dedication in making this synth the best it can be.
Just to let you know, the video linked in the first post at the very top of this thread no longer works.
Just to let you know, the video linked in the first post at the very top of this thread no longer works.
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- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 28 Jun, 2005
Thank you,
this is solved after resaving with the right setting :
this is solved after resaving with the right setting :
This is NOTYeager wrote:when I recall the preset the “Play Waveform” is reset to "Sin partials" in stead of “Raw Samples”.
Yeager wrote:Also it does not display the preset name I have given it in the top bar..
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1584 posts since 25 Mar, 2017
cron, thanks so much!
Yeager, did you rename the preset by typing in the top title bar
or by renaming the program name in the program browser list window?
If the later it will only change the file name not the display name.
Yeager, did you rename the preset by typing in the top title bar
or by renaming the program name in the program browser list window?
If the later it will only change the file name not the display name.
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- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 28 Jun, 2005
Yeh I think I know what I did (wrong), I think you have to change the name in the topbar and then save the preset, I think I got it nowFathomSynth wrote: Yeager, did you rename the preset by typing in the top title bar
or by renaming the program name in the program browser list window?
If the later it will only change the file name not the display name.
If you leave it blank (the topbar) it saves the preset with the name "program 1" changing that name does indeed not generate a preset name in the topbar, so you have to change the name in the topbar press "save" and it gets the same name in both the topbar and the preset list OR overwrites a preset with the same name *without warning me.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1584 posts since 25 Mar, 2017
Yes, someone else mentioned that also.
I'll add an overwrite warning in the next release!
I'll add an overwrite warning in the next release!
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- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 28 Jun, 2005
FathomSynth wrote:Yes, someone else mentioned that also.
I'll add an overwrite warning in the next release!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1584 posts since 25 Mar, 2017
I just changed the harmonic distortion to use the glide frequency,
this will be included in 1.0.15.
Here's what it sounds like.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/h417hciah ... fathom.mp3
this will be included in 1.0.15.
Here's what it sounds like.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/h417hciah ... fathom.mp3
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- KVRAF
- 3878 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat
A quick dumb question, because I haven't been synthing for a while... tried to update Fathom yesterday, but I don't have a password for the zip. It wasn't in my initial purchase mail, maybe the info for that is buried somehwere in this thread. Can someone lend a helping hand?