Native access?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 406 posts since 10 Mar, 2005
I am finding this app to not be access but destruction. Unknown errors when installing removing plugins from folders without any indiciation of what happened. Having to use a 3rd party tool to fix regs settings. Still it goes on still cannot my plugins to work. It says k5 not installed but it is i was using 5.6.8 2 minutes ago. Plugins needing reactivated what if i had no internet access. Thought this app was supposed to solve issues like these not create them
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Fernando (FMR)
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Ive trien more than that, in OS X (several versions) in Windows 7 and Windows 10, I've installed, uninstalled and reinstalled things, and everything worked as it was supposed to. And I never even read any instructions. I just followed what dictates my experience and common sense.chk071 wrote:It probably is. Because it works here just fine on 2 computers.fmr wrote:It's probably your fault.
Fernando (FMR)
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- KVRAF
- 7748 posts since 28 Apr, 2013
It has been horrible for me too, mostly winding up looking for work-arounds to bypass it's inability to complete anything. And now NI has removed those work-arounds and implemented new ones they work hard to hide from everyone. Which means they're well aware it causes problems for a great many and probably don't care.boombaxx wrote:I am finding this app to not be access but destruction. Unknown errors when installing removing plugins from folders without any indiciation of what happened. Having to use a 3rd party tool to fix regs settings. Still it goes on still cannot my plugins to work. It says k5 not installed but it is i was using 5.6.8 2 minutes ago. Plugins needing reactivated what if i had no internet access. Thought this app was supposed to solve issues like these not create them
This last week has got me stripping off whatever I easily can do without from them. They have slated themselves for an eventual and mostly Komplete removal from my system. All because of Access (and they're demands of making everyone use it - whether it works or not).
Way to shoot yourself in the foot guys.
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- KVRian
- 810 posts since 5 Oct, 2009 from Portland, OR
When it first came out, Native Access was a garbage fire. It was streamlined to a fault, and even then it didn't always work. (My own issues with it not being able to install some of my NI products on a brand-new OS image are documented on the NI forum.) NI has made some big improvements since that time (for example, they brought back the ability to display release notes before you install an update), but it still isn't as reliable as the old Service Center was for me (downloads frequently fail, forcing me to retry later), and it might never have all the same features (like offline activation).
I am still one who sees Native Access as a step backward from Service Center, but at least it finally usually seems to work for me.
I am still one who sees Native Access as a step backward from Service Center, but at least it finally usually seems to work for me.
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- KVRAF
- 1869 posts since 12 Mar, 2004
Its a komplete joke, the amount of times it randomly installs on windows without all the right files is unbelievable, you try to uninstall in control panel and it just says "this is not installed properly, shall i remove from programs" yet it is still showing as installed in native access, unable to uninstall or update, in to the registry to fix.
Duh
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- KVRAF
- 2362 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
I had great issues with it too. It essentially nuked all installed VSTs (Komplete Ultimate) and I had to reinstall everything. I think the root cause of all evil is if you don't set the plugin path right at the start. If you have already installed elsewhere, Native Access seems to get horribly confused and can't install properly.
At least some of the products required me to manually uninstall them from the Control Panel after I'd set the VST path in Native Access to get them to work.
Even after fixing most of the issues, I had to use Service Center to download and install Guitar Rig, which was stuck in demo mode. It was impossible to install with Native Access. NI provided exactly zero support.
I was not the only one with Guitar Rig issue either.
At least some of the products required me to manually uninstall them from the Control Panel after I'd set the VST path in Native Access to get them to work.
Even after fixing most of the issues, I had to use Service Center to download and install Guitar Rig, which was stuck in demo mode. It was impossible to install with Native Access. NI provided exactly zero support.
I was not the only one with Guitar Rig issue either.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 406 posts since 10 Mar, 2005
Hi i have tried to update reaktor blocks and kontakt and a few others on more than one occasion. It fails everytime. I set the vst folder right at the start because i use a custom folder for my vst. I always get unkwown errors ?. It has repeated the same kontakt 1 gig download 4 or 5 times it installs it restart and it is not installed again eh?
- KVRAF
- 2392 posts since 29 Jun, 2005 from La La Land
No, you're not the only one. It's garbage. I've never been able to do anything with it. Every time I've tried to update, it literally f**ks everything up, and there's no option to repair anything. What makes everything worse, is that the Native Instruments installer pukes files in every corner of of the file system so manual uninstalls of broken paths are are even harder to do. I never had these problems with the Service Center. I'm glad at least some people are able to use Native Access, but for me, it's the worst piece of shit update software I've ever used. And people complain about Waves Update Center? Jesus...UltimateOutsider wrote:I am still one who sees Native Access as a step backward from Service Center, but at least it finally usually seems to work for me.
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- KVRAF
- 23077 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Paths where stuff is placed didn't change between SC and NA - in the background exactly the same installers are used. NI is just following MS guidelines on where what kind of data should go, so yes, you will get uninstallers in ProgramData because that's how InstallShield works, you will get factory data in Common Files\Native Instruments because that's where it's supposed to go, you will get all the database stuff in AppData\Local\Native Instruments because that's where it's supposed to go as well, and you will get the NKS stuff installed to Public folder because it's supposed to be installed for all users. It is NOT a good practice to put everything in Program Files (this is where just the standalone executables and documentation is supposed to go), so NI doesn't do it. As per MS guidelines.Orbit-50 wrote:What makes everything worse, is that the Native Instruments installer pukes files in every corner of of the file system so manual uninstalls of broken paths are are even harder to do.
None of this changed because of Native Access, it's all how it used to be years before, going back to Kore and even before it.
- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 12 Dec, 2012 from Switzerland
Wow... it seems I'm one of the rare lucky guys, that never had any issue with it. I even find it better than the Service Center. Maybe it's more stable on Mac, for whatever reason.
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- KVRAF
- 3460 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest
I must be one lucky bastard because I've never had any problem with Native Instruments copy protection schemes. Service Center - no problems. Native Access - no problems. Even back when they had their software on copy protected CDs (those silly bumps in the plastic) - never one single problem.
Every time there's something fishy - it's me moving around plugins to different folders. Simple to fix though.
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Every time there's something fishy - it's me moving around plugins to different folders. Simple to fix though.
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- KVRAF
- 5718 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
ProgramData is just a predefined folder destination for installshield,
it is not compulsory to use it. Even as a default, typically you would
group things in a unique directory, rather than clogging things up
with tons of flagged, product coded files.
Sorry, a well planned and considerate installation is not going to
resemble what NI has done at all.
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it is not compulsory to use it. Even as a default, typically you would
group things in a unique directory, rather than clogging things up
with tons of flagged, product coded files.
Sorry, a well planned and considerate installation is not going to
resemble what NI has done at all.
-Cheers
- KVRian
- 980 posts since 19 Jun, 2006 from Berlin, Germany
For me Native Access is a big step backwards as I have no Internet connection on my studio computer and Native Access does not offer any offline options where Service Center did.
So for me NI is basically a dead end now. I'll use what I have (Komplete 9, Kontakt 5.6.6) and not update or buy anything new from them as long as possible.
So for me NI is basically a dead end now. I'll use what I have (Komplete 9, Kontakt 5.6.6) and not update or buy anything new from them as long as possible.
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