Do VSTs Make The Cut?

VST, AU, AAX, etc. plug-in Virtual Instruments discussion
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justin3am
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10432 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California

Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:19 pm

Vertion wrote:I would think a combination of software and digitally-controlled and digitally-routable analog gear will be the final product. Where the modularity is routed digitally between analog circuits.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/an ... hesizer-4u
I'm not sure I'm sold on this specific approach but I like the idea.

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justin3am
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10432 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California

Re: Do VSTs Make The Cut?

Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:26 pm

I also know of a crazy modded Arp 2600 which has some level of MIDI control and patch recall... for all it's patch points and parameters. I can't remember who did the mods maybe Chris Muir or SMS. It was pretty epic though. Wish I had a chance to play with it but I was just helping a friend pack for a move, when he showed it to me.

deastman
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6743 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area

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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:24 pm

justin3am wrote:I also know of a crazy modded Arp 2600 which has some level of MIDI control and patch recall... for all it's patch points and parameters. I can't remember who did the mods maybe Chris Muir or SMS. It was pretty epic though. Wish I had a chance to play with it but I was just helping a friend pack for a move, when he showed it to me.
That sounds pretty impressive! And expensive.

Speaking of which, at a local synth meet I once told Chris Muir that I was jealous of his Buchla, and he said that he’d had to choose between the Buchla and ever being able to retire. :lol:
Incomplete list of my gear: 110V AC to 12V DC 1.5A power supply (+ tip)

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Daru925
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190 posts since 20 Mar, 2015 from Nerima, Tokyo

Re: Do VSTs Make The Cut?

Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:41 pm

Thanks for the examples, so, to me, it would seems that modular methods is like a having a hardware daw in one machine, or maybe using a daw and effects paths could already be considered modular.
I like techno music so I can definitely see the fun factor in the process, and the show/performance value instead of one guy on a laptop, but in terms of sounds, it felt like something i could replicate in my daw, using a synth plus a bunch of effects/sequencers.
And the term bleeps and blops, regardless of the fact one likes the resulting sound or not -personnal preferences you know- , is pretty accurate imho. I didn't mean to be offensive or anything, just curious.

@Foosnark 's examples were actually what i was looking/hoping for, sounded quite different from what i always heard/seen so far, so thanks.

I got beatzille a while ago, didnt have time to test it much, will look into it.

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braj
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9090 posts since 5 Feb, 2004

Re: Do VSTs Make The Cut?

Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:45 pm

https://www.softube.com/modular

I have been considering this for a bit, but I don't know if I could afford to upgrade that either to what I would want. I own MUX but that just doesn't drip usability. Then there is Reaktor. Maybe I should give the free version of that another shot.
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wagtunes
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13347 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:00 pm

braj wrote:https://www.softube.com/modular

I have been considering this for a bit, but I don't know if I could afford to upgrade that either to what I would want. I own MUX but that just doesn't drip usability. Then there is Reaktor. Maybe I should give the free version of that another shot.
Right now Softube is cheap and there aren't a lot of extra modules yet. And at the rate they're coming out with new ones (snails pace) the expense won't add up fast or much at all.

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braj
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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:19 pm

There is also this:

https://vcvrack.com/

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wagtunes
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13347 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:44 pm

braj wrote:There is also this:

https://vcvrack.com/

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I really dig this. I'm just waiting for the VST version.

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dandezebra
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661 posts since 21 Dec, 2013 from USA

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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:49 pm

10) Dynamite Cowbell - couldn't decide on this one
9) HG Fortune's Avatar ST - rock I
8) HG Fortune's Astral Dreamer - rock II
7) Cakewalk Rapture - sentimental reasons
6) Disney Little Einsteins Pat Pat Red Rocket Learn And Play Vtech Piano Keyboard
5) Repro-1- bite
4) Z3ta 2 - old classic
3) Absynth 5 - it scares me
2) Falcon - still learning it
1) Omnisphere 2

Enjoy!

ghettosynth
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11097 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Re: Do VSTs Make The Cut?

Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:08 pm

justin3am wrote:
Vertion wrote:I would think a combination of software and digitally-controlled and digitally-routable analog gear will be the final product. Where the modularity is routed digitally between analog circuits.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/an ... hesizer-4u
I'm not sure I'm sold on this specific approach but I like the idea.
These aren't really new ideas, of course. See Hal Chamberlin's "Musical Applications for Microprocessors" from the mid 80s as well as a ton of research material from that era.

The problem with these concepts is that in the attempt to solve a problem they essentially destroy what's great about the thing that they are solving the problem for.

Guess what the next evolution from this is, that's right, realizing that many of the analog modules could really be done in digital giving us even more power in our modular. Then, wait, maybe we could do it ALL in digital, and there we are, right back in the mid 90s rethinking Max/Generator/VAZ/Csound etc.

This project will die on the vine.

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Vertion
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425 posts since 29 Oct, 2016

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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:44 pm

justin3am wrote:
Vertion wrote:I would think a combination of software and digitally-controlled and digitally-routable analog gear will be the final product. Where the modularity is routed digitally between analog circuits.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/an ... hesizer-4u
I'm not sure I'm sold on this specific approach but I like the idea.
Wonderful idea! Needs a repackaging and remarketing overhaul, but the concept is correct. I would not like a large mystery box that looks like someone glued their old skateboard to a plastic box and pay a few grand for it... but perhaps I'd pay a couple hundred over an important birthday for a much smaller and sleeker model that doesn't require a truck to move.
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D-Fusion
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3376 posts since 13 Jul, 2004 from Earth

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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:18 pm

Daru925 wrote:Do you (a list of users) have a list of modular videos that aren't just the stereotype blips and blops? Not something that glitch 1.3 random does for free, but actual musical sounds that makes you think: "Wow, i can't do that with regular methods"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSD6c-dimY8

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braj
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9090 posts since 5 Feb, 2004

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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:24 pm

That's wonderful, but what about that couldn't be done in software?
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StudioDave
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890 posts since 23 Jun, 2007 from Findlay OH USA

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Post Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:29 am

ghettosynth wrote:... See Hal Chamberlin's "Musical Applications for Microprocessors" from the mid 80s as well as a ton of research material from that era.
And what book do I happen to be cruising through these days ? Yep, Hal Chamberlin's great book.

VCV Rack got me into it. I've had a copy around here for years, only dipped into it occasionally, but my experience "on the Rack" has me learning new stuff every day. I'm not totally unfamiliar with modular systems, but during their heyday I was more into Muddy than modulars, so my technical understanding needs some background. Chamberlin's explanations of CV systems has been very helpful.

Nice to see a reference here to such a classic text.

Best,

dp

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StudioDave
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890 posts since 23 Jun, 2007 from Findlay OH USA

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Post Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:31 am

braj wrote:There is also this:

https://vcvrack.com/
Yes there is and I am loving it. :)

0.5.0 Real Soon Now.

Best,

dp

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