Patcher style VST?

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JoPo
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120 posts since 12 Mar, 2004

Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:02 am

I allow myself to bring back this thread up in order to give an awesome answer to the question...

Do you try mutools ? Have a look : http://www.mutools.com/mux-product.html
It's not free version of free but not expensive at all and REALLY worth it ! To summarize, it's a modular vst plugin (instrument & insert fx) that can load other vst's (instrument & insert fx) in a synth modular environment. You can use any synth modular modulation source to control your vst's automation parameters, send modulation signals outside your computer like with Expert Sleepers Silent Way if you wish.
You can try it for free to see if you like it. Absolutely fabulous !

I tried vstforx but it's not stable at all and not free... A nightmare, I don't use it anymore at all.

There is also "minihost" from the creative Image Line : https://www.image-line.com/documents/ne ... lar-beta-2
Very nice and free but doesn't allow as much things to do as Mux.

Thanks for your attention ! :D
Musica ! here

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Konduktor
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48 posts since 19 Nov, 2017

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:49 am

Edit: sorry, nevermind.
Last edited by Konduktor on Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
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feralsystems
KVRist
59 posts since 7 Nov, 2012 from Philadelphia

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:44 am

Konduktor wrote:My problem with MUX is that, last time I checked, the license key is permanently tied to your current system, and is not transferable, not even in an iLok-style way. So if your computer dies tomorrow or you need to upgrade, you lose it and end up having to buy another license. At least that's what I could gather... please correct me if I'm wrong.

From what I demoed, MUX itself is a wonderful plugin for sure, and I came very close to buying it. But seeing as how I may end up having to get a new PC sometime this year, I didn't see the point in buying it just to have to re-buy it a few months later. So I've decided to pass on it (for now.)

If MuTools used iLok licenses instead, it might be a whole different story. I'm not a big fan of iLok, but at least it's designed to allow for some portability, so I'm willing to deal with it.
I've never had an issue with using MUX on different computers - it uses a text based license key. In fact, since the application/plugin are portable (i.e. no installer needed), I have it on a USB drive that I take back and forth between studio and home.

Izak Synthiemental
KVRist
429 posts since 4 Aug, 2010

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:26 am

DDMF Metaplugin https://www.kvraudio.com/product/metaplugin-by-ddmf
Image Line Minihost Modular Beta https://www.kvraudio.com/news/image-lin ... -win-24843
VST Forx (has a great free version) https://www.kvraudio.com/product/vstfor ... odschynski
Blue Cat Patchwork (very powerful): https://www.kvraudio.com/product/blue-c ... -cat-audio

Computer Magazine has two plugins which you might want to check:
Agent CM allows you to chain various effects and put your own interface on top of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFKV8YVLHqU

Freestyle CM (there is also a big version) allows you to make chains of effects and instruments from the various CM Mag plugins. You just need to buy one issue of the mag to use it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2plf9fjfeYY
http://soundcloud.com/samaritageto

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JoPo
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120 posts since 12 Mar, 2004

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:49 am

Konduktor wrote:My problem with MUX is that, last time I checked, the license key is permanently tied to your current system, and is not transferable, not even in an iLok-style way. So if your computer dies tomorrow or you need to upgrade, you lose it and end up having to buy another license. At least that's what I could gather... please correct me if I'm wrong.
Don't worry about something like that ! No company will force you to buy again the same software when you have a new pc !
Just contact the developer, he's available guy ! There is a mutools section on kvr, he answers in the hour !
Musica ! here

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Konduktor
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48 posts since 19 Nov, 2017

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:17 am

OK, thanks for clearing that up.
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Trancit
KVRAF
1691 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:45 pm

Konduktor wrote:OK, thanks for clearing that up.
There is no bounding to hardware for MuTools products... it´s a simple serial you put into and it´s done...
There is no installation, no registry keys, no C/R... use it on whatever hardware you want to buy...

Ah_Dziz
KVRAF
2340 posts since 2 Jul, 2005

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:12 pm

If your host supports vst3 then I highly recommend bluecat patchwork. It is a handy chainer with lots of good features. Vst3 update their odd info as needed to the host (in cubase anyhow). It has a kind of crappy plugin browser but it's very useful if you aren't constantly doing nothing but making chains.

JJ
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RexXx
KVRist
330 posts since 14 Jul, 2005 from Germany

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:34 pm

In development:
Kushview - Element

Modular host for VST/VST3/AU plugins
Windows (32/64-bit) & OSX
Standalone version = free
Plugin version = Pro / commercial

Home:
https://kushview.net/element/

KVR thread:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=493660
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ReverendLove
KVRist
79 posts since 3 Dec, 2009 from Cologne, Germany

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:35 am

I tried nearly all of them. The most useful for me is metaplugin actually. The next is Magma by Nomad with near endless possibilities to modulate automatable via lfos an egs. Also it delivers a bunch of very useful own effects. Another one is Element by kushview wich is in pre release but looks pretty promising but yet misses the ability to automate parameters of th inserted plugins.

Minihost, still in beta since four years, crashes constantly.
Mux has no way to modulate or automate the parameters of inserted effects but its own delivered with it.
Patchwork has a predefined routing what the above mentioned do not have but magma. But magma has the very useful lfos and egs wich Patchwork does not include. Magma only works for effects but not instruments.
Bidule is simply out dated and has a clumsy gui and is little bit too complex. I would rather use MAX/MSP or Pure Data then. There you get the biggest playground.
Then there is freestyle what doesn‘t do much more than Metaplugin.
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tatanka
KVRian
919 posts since 13 Jan, 2014

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:39 am

Even if both daw I mainly use (mulab, waveform) have the possibility to build powerful racks I must say after lot of trys I stay with freestyle. It is very powerful, in permanent and steady devellopment and really stable (for me at least) which is not obvious for such a complex thing. It takes all my (hundreds of...) vsti and vst, even the jbridge 32 bit ones, connects them and has evrything I need (like midi splitter, event generator...).

Only problem is that my fantasy dont match with my old i-3 and the 8 GB ram, but I think I cant blame that on freestyle :hihi:

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Konduktor
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48 posts since 19 Nov, 2017

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:01 pm

Has anyone tried VCV Rack? It looks like it might have potential in this field...

https://vcvrack.com/
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VariKusBrainZ
KVRAF
8120 posts since 16 Dec, 2002

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:09 pm

Konduktor wrote:Has anyone tried VCV Rack? It looks like it might have potential in this field...

https://vcvrack.com/
It doesnt host VST plugins

Trancit
KVRAF
1691 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:45 pm

ReverendLove wrote:I tried nearly all of them....Mux has no way to modulate or automate the parameters of inserted effects but its own delivered with it....
Seems, you didn´t tried enough... of course ...all modulators in MUX can modulate automatable parameter of VST plugins it hosts and in a much much more flexible way than any of the others...

MUX is a monster of a plugin/subhost...

The only one coming close is Bidule at double costs and ugly as hell...

ReverendLove
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79 posts since 3 Dec, 2009 from Cologne, Germany

Re: Patcher style VST?

Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:23 pm

Trancit wrote:
ReverendLove wrote:I tried nearly all of them....Mux has no way to modulate or automate the parameters of inserted effects but its own delivered with it....
Seems, you didn´t tried enough... of course ...all modulators in MUX can modulate automatable parameter of VST plugins it hosts and in a much much more flexible way than any of the others...

MUX is a monster of a plugin/subhost...

The only one coming close is Bidule at double costs and ugly as hell...
Well, then I did not find it. Only thing I found is to link to a MIDI CC what is definetely not the same as automation which does not step incremental whole numbers and has some more advantages. And for those midi controllers I cannot use the green automation outputs from LFOs, envelope followers etc in MUX. Or do I miss something here?
That midi thing can I do with metaplugin and elements easily too.

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