Is it time for a post-modern interpretation of nineties music?

[Dasheesh]

So everyone and their mother should know the Drum & Bass classic Timeless by now, to me anyway, never heard a better D&B album.

roni size?

Now there's a name I ain't heard since the 90's... boom!

[Dasheesh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkUUDwtGc4

[tapiodmitriyevich]

I actually find modern EDM pop sounds pretty much like a carbon copy of the 90s Eurocheese stuff, just with newer synths and more risers. Which of course aren't the artists you were listing. If you listen to some early mid-90s cheese, it's formulaic in the extreme.

Yup, very surprising for me. So much uninspiring stuff. Ae etc. were like a revolution, lots of working experiments.
Maybe I am not seeing todays innovators between all those hypergalacticalsuperwobbleshites.

[Dasheesh]

I actually find modern EDM pop sounds pretty much like a carbon copy of the 90s Eurocheese stuff, just with newer synths and more risers. Which of course aren't the artists you were listing. If you listen to some early mid-90s cheese, it's formulaic in the extreme.

Yup, very surprising for me. So much uninspiring stuff. Ae etc. were like a revolution, lots of working experiments.
Maybe I am not seeing todays innovators between all those hypergalacticalsuperwobbleshites.

Well, what we have currently is a systemic problem. Workers are trying to put food on the table and are told they have to produce content. the worker bees go buy the software that has been made to produce the content, which means that software makes money, the worker bee makes a few, and the publisher makes a dollar. It's not music they are after, it's CONTENT. The problem is that people stopped taking chances. They stopped showing us who they really are. They are hiding in virtual realty. It's up to the artist to break the mold and move symmetry toward chaos.

See, everything is spelled out for the consumer now. It's all formulaic. There is no mystery left. They do what they are told and only know what they do. nobody is interested in HOW they do it, they are only interested in the destination. The truth is, the journey IS the destination, and what people are longing for is a VOICE. They want someone that takes the time to do it right. They want something genuine they are can gravitate to in this insane virtual false world we've built. They just don't know it yet. It's coming though. I'm telling you, 2020's are going to rock. You can feel it coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wWj578j7O4

[tapiodmitriyevich]

Oh yes, top album of his. Yeah, Mike Paradinas showed who he really is. A guy with good ideas, but too often he starts with good ideas and buries them under piles of beats and distortion. Sometimes I wished for a better progression in tracks.
In this more drums related genre, my vote goes to Feed Me Weird Things. Windscale 2 omg I loved it. After the intro things get interesting at 1:10.
I wish I wasn't lazy and able to program drums like this. I guess it is a lot of work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY6_gWFUKHk

[Dasheesh]

Nice one tapiod. You and me both. What we need is inspiration. You have to love it and find it interesting, then it’s not so much work as it is expression. But, I’m as guilty as anyone at becoming lazy. It’s because we have become so uninspired. That’s why we have to remind ourselves from time to time and push each other to do better. That’s something we really had in the 90’s that’s lacking now because nobody is physically interacting anymore. We are all just floating about in our own little bubbles with no one to push us to do it better.

[yung-forever]

As I've said earlier, there's a lot of really innovative music that just isn't being factored into this discussion. Hop on SoundCloud or something; it's all out there. The fact that music designed for mass consumption is fairly formulaic has not changed over the past 30 years and is nothing new.

[dark water]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE8YdDokZEw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHixChYgGRI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWohPJHicFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNfEBo07Ng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=podY8J447pc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic2Q-G0BEFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omJuxrA5NhM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQWN4eTioHw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVLAcKRmjt4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LW07FTJbI

[shonky]

1995 was a good year for dnb, still had that junglist vibe (the Plaid one wasn't dnb as such but thought I'd throw it in for the sake of awesomeness).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ksh7KQf28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phf0CUyOJjc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0N50ozIsyA

And a year later, it had changed to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_VKMWs2eaI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHbI1YZJfUU

And then a year later...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwyo_ePK5mE

Personally love me a bit of late 90s techstep, about as far removed from the current glowstick BS as is possible, and when the lights go out, it gets real dark

[wagtunes]

1995 was a good year for dnb, still had that junglist vibe (the Plaid one wasn't dnb as such but thought I'd throw it in for the sake of awesomeness).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ksh7KQf28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phf0CUyOJjc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0N50ozIsyA

And a year later, it had changed to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_VKMWs2eaI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHbI1YZJfUU

And then a year later...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwyo_ePK5mE

Personally love me a bit of late 90s techstep, about as far removed from the current glowstick BS as is possible, and when the lights go out, it gets real dark

I find the glowstick BS comment amusing considering how many people in this world considered the whole 90s dnb scene BS to begin with.

It's all relative my friend.

That's why I try not to judge and just go about making music and let live and let live.

One person's party is another person's BS.

Never forget that.

[Vortifex]

This is by far my favourite jungle record from the 90s. It's dark as hell, and there's a bit of hoover in there too. What's not to love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DivYGqvVvc

[wagtunes]

This is by far my favourite jungle record from the 90s. It's dark as hell, and there's a bit of hoover in there too. What's not to love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DivYGqvVvc

Okay, first of all, let me start off by saying that I am not passing judgement on this record either way, good or bad. I'll keep my personal opinions to myself.

Having said that, there are a few observations I'd like to make.

1) If we were to do a construction study of this song, it would be more than reasonable to understand if any given person would call this utter crap. I'm not going to go into the construction study unless you really want me to. I don't think it's necessary as there's not much involved here.

2) There is nothing really "new" here even as of the 90s. This style of song can be traced back to the early 70s and a "hit" by the Chakachas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHTLIuNRB2Y

I'm only replying to this because when you talked about your favorite Jungle track from the 90s and what's not to love (I do like a good Jungle song) I was curious to hear this amazing tune.

This simply confirms that for every song out there, there's going to be somebody who absolutely loves it and hates it and even doesn't have any feelings about it one way or another.

I will conclude with this. Today, any 15 year old with a DAW can easily make this track and has.

For good or bad.

[shonky]

I find the glowstick BS comment amusing considering how many people in this world considered the whole 90s dnb scene BS to begin with.

Anyone that thinks the whole 90s dnb scene was BS is clearly ignorant of the impact it had across electronic music as a whole and beyond the tempo, it covered a lot of different ground and incorporated influences from a a wide range of styles, from jazz to dub, from industrial to symphonic, from soundtrack to capoiera and beyond. I get the fact that many people didn't really get that, initially, it wasn't interested in playing to familiar musical conventions, and had to wait until Goldie and Roni Size created something more accessible that people who weren't initially interested in that scene could embrace, but such is the way with any uncharted musical territory (how many "industrial" fans started with "Head Like a Hole" rather than "Hamburger Lady" for example?)

That's why I try not to judge and just go about making music and let live and let live.

Yet in the post directly after this quote you do exactly that

[wagtunes]

I find the glowstick BS comment amusing considering how many people in this world considered the whole 90s dnb scene BS to begin with.

Anyone that thinks the whole 90s dnb scene was BS is clearly ignorant of the impact it had across electronic music as a whole and beyond the tempo, it covered a lot of different ground and incorporated influences from a a wide range of styles, from jazz to dub, from industrial to symphonic, from soundtrack to capoiera and beyond. I get the fact that many people didn't really get that, initially, it wasn't interested in playing to familiar musical conventions, and had to wait until Goldie and Roni Size created something more accessible that people who weren't initially interested in that scene could embrace, but such is the way with any uncharted musical territory (how many "industrial" fans started with "Head Like a Hole" rather than "Hamburger Lady" for example?)

That's why I try not to judge and just go about making music and let live and let live.

Yet in the post directly after this quote you do exactly that

No, I simply pointed out, given the construction of the song, that others could consider it and other constructions like it crap.

I'm looking at this completely from a clinical standpoint. Again, if you want me to do a construction analysis of the song on a purely clinical basis, I can. I was trying to avoid that.

But the fact still remains, I have not personally said whether or not I liked or didn't like the song. You are simply making assumptions based on my clinical observation. An observation I could make about any song of any genre given the components of said song.

[Mik_lo]

Just going to leave this little badboy here

https://youtu.be/ufcRRtRbSfs