"In your face" saw lead
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 783 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
Hi guys,
I have been trying to get those powerful saw lead sounds. Those that feel like right in your face with power. However, after trying many effects (unison, distortion, eq, compression...) I still cannot achieve the powerful level that I have in mind. So I am wondering how you guys would approach this. Thanks in advance for sharing your insights!
I have been trying to get those powerful saw lead sounds. Those that feel like right in your face with power. However, after trying many effects (unison, distortion, eq, compression...) I still cannot achieve the powerful level that I have in mind. So I am wondering how you guys would approach this. Thanks in advance for sharing your insights!
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- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
Example?
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 783 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
Right...How can I forget about that...
https://youtu.be/DLqs2Hq9R6M?t=75
(Just in case you are curious, I do like mlp stuff )
Here it is (around 1:15)fluffy_little_something wrote:Example?
https://youtu.be/DLqs2Hq9R6M?t=75
(Just in case you are curious, I do like mlp stuff )
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- KVRian
- 540 posts since 28 Oct, 2014
It's just really wide, and it's not competing for space with anything else.
Listen to the snare drum while that synth is playing. It's more or less all 300hz and under, with a little bit of top end, but almost no midrange. In fact, it sounds like the snare and everything else is being ducked by the synth lol
Listen to the snare drum while that synth is playing. It's more or less all 300hz and under, with a little bit of top end, but almost no midrange. In fact, it sounds like the snare and everything else is being ducked by the synth lol
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 783 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
That's the trick!!! Thanks! The reason I didn't try this before is that I remember people saying if I push stereo maker too hard, it will lose focus. So I assume if I want powerful stuff, I should not widen it too much. But seems I "stick to the rule" too much._al_ wrote:It's just really wide
Thanks again!
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- KVRAF
- 2075 posts since 19 Sep, 2017 from The Future
come on is this what impress you really?
Download the free Sylenth1 stuff i give and play a bit with E.M.P stuff - will make something better for sure :
https://velltone.wixsite.com/velltone/sylenth1
Download the free Sylenth1 stuff i give and play a bit with E.M.P stuff - will make something better for sure :
https://velltone.wixsite.com/velltone/sylenth1
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
Well, try to have something left when you collapse it to mono, so probably best approach is to widen only some frequency range or add wider layer, there's hard L&R trick too or Haas effect, experiment.hhuang9611 wrote:That's the trick!!! Thanks! The reason I didn't try this before is that I remember people saying if I push stereo maker too hard, it will lose focus. So I assume if I want powerful stuff, I should not widen it too much. But seems I "stick to the rule" too much._al_ wrote:It's just really wide
Thanks again!
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- KVRian
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- 783 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
Thanks! Really helpful
Zexila wrote: Well, try to have something left when you collapse it to mono, so probably best approach is to widen only some frequency range or add wider layer, there's hard L&R trick too or Haas effect, experiment.
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- KVRAF
- 4590 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
Articial stereo widening has it's caveat - namely it will collapse back in mono. Instead it's much better to use multiple different tracks and pan them left and right.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 783 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
Great advice! Just tried this, much better!
DJ Warmonger wrote:Articial stereo widening has it's caveat - namely it will collapse back in mono. Instead it's much better to use multiple different tracks and pan them left and right.
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- KVRian
- 806 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet
Again...layering is one, of several, secrets to big leads. Another thing, real quick, if you use MS processing to push the leads out the sides, make sure that you use a stereo plugin that is mono compatible while mixing. This is another topic that takes more explaining but I'll let you figure out how to balance mono and stereo in your mono-compatible mix.hhuang9611 wrote:That's the trick!!! Thanks! The reason I didn't try this before is that I remember people saying if I push stereo maker too hard, it will lose focus. So I assume if I want powerful stuff, I should not widen it too much. But seems I "stick to the rule" too much._al_ wrote:It's just really wide
Thanks again!
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- KVRian
- 806 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet
One more thing...
I know Chris Alge says the hell with mono devices...but, if you listen to some of the best mixes, they're all stereo compatible. Just try it...seriously.
Make a copy of your session and put a Utility plugin (Melda's Free bundle has a great one) and put it on your Master and set the mix to mono. Now, start mixing again, with your leads and such.
After a few minutes, turn off the mono. Now listen to that. Don't like what you hear? Then something in your mix is not mono-compatible. Use the bx_stereoizer demo to get this done, or the free Melda Stereo Expander, or something similar.
At some point, you should end up with something that has equal clarity of all your instruments in both mono and stereo.
My tip: mix for mono then add stereo for dimension.
I know Chris Alge says the hell with mono devices...but, if you listen to some of the best mixes, they're all stereo compatible. Just try it...seriously.
Make a copy of your session and put a Utility plugin (Melda's Free bundle has a great one) and put it on your Master and set the mix to mono. Now, start mixing again, with your leads and such.
After a few minutes, turn off the mono. Now listen to that. Don't like what you hear? Then something in your mix is not mono-compatible. Use the bx_stereoizer demo to get this done, or the free Melda Stereo Expander, or something similar.
At some point, you should end up with something that has equal clarity of all your instruments in both mono and stereo.
My tip: mix for mono then add stereo for dimension.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 783 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
Thanks! I always enjoy your detailed and very helpful comments
Mathematics wrote:One more thing...
I know Chris Alge says the hell with mono devices...but, if you listen to some of the best mixes, they're all stereo compatible. Just try it...seriously.
Make a copy of your session and put a Utility plugin (Melda's Free bundle has a great one) and put it on your Master and set the mix to mono. Now, start mixing again, with your leads and such.
After a few minutes, turn off the mono. Now listen to that. Don't like what you hear? Then something in your mix is not mono-compatible. Use the bx_stereoizer demo to get this done, or the free Melda Stereo Expander, or something similar.
At some point, you should end up with something that has equal clarity of all your instruments in both mono and stereo.
My tip: mix for mono then add stereo for dimension.
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- KVRian
- 806 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet
Thanks for the nice comment. You're the second person to actually thank me for the detailed posts. The only other person to have thanked me similarly in a PM was MogwaiBoy. Good luck to you!
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