Bitwig

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:37 pm

Hi,

I am trying to do pitch bend of single notes on non-MPE VSTs. Is there a way to do this in BWS?

I tried this with two note tracks and an instrument layer container with two note receivers from those two tracks. Didn't work.

Thanks for your help if you have a solution.

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:53 am

You need to turn off "Convert Pitch-Bend" ("PB->Expression" in 2.4) for the track on the track inspector.

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:35 pm

Hi BobDog, I don't think that's it. I am trying to pitch bend only one note at a time, using non MPE VSTs. I've been reading a bit on MPE, per MIDI.org, "In MPE, each note is assigned its own MIDI Channel so that those messages (eg, pitch bend) can be applied to each note individually". Pitch bend without MPE is assigned to the specific MIDI channel used, so I am also thinking I may not be able to do what I want to do even if I split the notes out into different note tracks, As long as they are all the same MIDI channel, I won't be able to "assign" pitch bend to just one of the note tracks... That is territory, and the purpose of, MPE.

Again, folks, please let me know if you have any other ideas. I think I'm wanting to do MPE without MPE.

Ain't gonna happen.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:42 pm

sagetone wrote:Hi BobDog, I don't think that's it. I am trying to pitch bend only one note at a time, using non MPE VSTs. I've been reading a bit on MPE, per MIDI.org, "In MPE, each note is assigned its own MIDI Channel so that those messages (eg, pitch bend) can be applied to each note individually". Pitch bend without MPE is assigned to the specific MIDI channel used, so I am also thinking I may not be able to do what I want to do even if I split the notes out into different note tracks, As long as they are all the same MIDI channel, I won't be able to "assign" pitch bend to just one of the note tracks... That is territory, and the purpose of, MPE.

Again, folks, please let me know if you have any other ideas. I think I'm wanting to do MPE without MPE. Ain't gonna happen.

get an MPE controller

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:47 pm

pdxindy wrote:get an MPE controller

Looking at seaboards and linnstrument right now...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:00 pm

sagetone wrote:
pdxindy wrote:get an MPE controller
Looking at seaboards and linnstrument right now...

They are awesome! I've got the Linnstrument... but plan to get the Seaboard too.

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:48 pm

pdxindy wrote:They are awesome! I've got the Linnstrument... but plan to get the Seaboard too.

Yes, now just trying to decide which one to start with. My background is much more guitar than keys, and I've read that points to the Linnstrument.

By the way, with an MPE controller, and Bitwig being compatible with MPE, can I get per-note expression with any VST? I'm under the impression that the VST also needs to be MPE compatible, and there currently are only a handful.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:01 pm

sagetone wrote:
pdxindy wrote:They are awesome! I've got the Linnstrument... but plan to get the Seaboard too.
Yes, now just trying to decide which one to start with. My background is much more guitar than keys, and I've read that points to the Linnstrument.

By the way, with an MPE controller, and Bitwig being compatible with MPE, can I get per-note expression with any VST? I'm under the impression that the VST also needs to be MPE compatible, and there currently are only a handful.

With Bitwig 2.4 and its new midi channel support, you can use any VST by making multiple instances (each with the same preset) and using the new channel filter device to send 1 channel to each.

I find that a clumsy solution though glad it is now an option. Fortunately, there are enough MPE capable synths that I am satisfied.

There are the Bitwig synths... FM4, Polysynth, Phase-4 and the Sampler

U-he there is Hive, Repro, Diva and Bazille

PPG synths are WaveMapper 2, Infinite Pro, Phonem

Aalto and Kaivo from Madrona Labs

Strobe 2 and Cypher 2 from FXpansion

plus a few others...

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:12 pm

pdxindy wrote:There are the Bitwig synths... FM4, Polysynth, Phase-4 and the Sampler

U-he there is Hive, Repro, Diva and Bazille.

Still not able to get Diva or either or the Repros to work with single not PB. Not sure what I'm missing? Nothing that I can see to set up or enable in the VSTs?

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:23 am

What controller are you using?

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:15 pm

BobDog wrote:What controller are you using?

Various. A Launchkey 49, and older keyboard controller, and a digital piano with a custom MIDI control box including pitch and mod wheels. Non are MPE.

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:20 pm

sagetone wrote:
BobDog wrote:What controller are you using?
Various. A Launchkey 49, another older keyboard controller (Edirol), BSP and SQ-1, and a digital piano with a custom MIDI control box including pitch and mod wheels. Non are MPE.

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:50 pm

So what I said earlier in the second post of this thread, try that.

Also don't turn MPE on on the device, you don't want that.

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:24 pm

BobDog wrote:So what I said earlier in the second post of this thread, try that.

Also don't turn MPE on on the device, you don't want that.

I don't have MPE devices.

I think I'm good to go now. I know what the snags are and what I need to do to correct (... get an MPE device

)

BobDog · Post by **BobDog** » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:18 pm

You do not need an MPE device to use pitch bends in plugins.

Bitwig

KVR Audio

single note pitch bend (not MPE)