A Synth is only as good as its presets

[Urs]

Simple sounds, but sounds excellent. I have yet to hear a vst that sounds as fat as real Oberheimer synth.

Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Simple sounds, but sounds excellent. I have yet to hear a vst that sounds as fat as real Oberheimer synth.

Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.

...December 2019: U-heim Public Beta

[sleepcircle]

Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.

I didn't know you DIDN'T have the nerve to do it. What's so unnerving about it?

[vurt]

Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.

I didn't know you DIDN'T have the nerve to do it. What's so unnerving about it?

probably the amount of "it doesn't sound anything like a synth ive never actually heard in person whereas you had one to compare in the office " type posts that follow an emu

[ZeePok]

Simple sounds, but sounds excellent. I have yet to hear a vst that sounds as fat as real Oberheimer synth.

Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.

...December 2019: U-heim Public Beta

 
ReOB-Xa

[sleepcircle]

probably the amount of "it doesn't sound anything like a synth ive never actually heard in person whereas you had one to compare in the office " type posts that follow an emu

oh. that would be understandable.

this is why we can't have nice things.

[cytospur]

rOB-loX if you want to get the next generation of kids in

[Urs]

Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.

I didn't know you DIDN'T have the nerve to do it. What's so unnerving about it?

Doing analogue models is the most taxing business I have yet encountered (followed by reverb design). Endless A/B comparisons, paired with "what is the difference, actually?". It wipes me out.

[fluffy_little_something]

I don't think that Oberheim sound is much above good soft synths anymore.

[ZeePok]

 
Maybe a controversial point, but doesn't a synth sound essentially different on every computer anyway?

They all have different (quality of) audio (re)producing equipment that might influence/colour the sound, no?

[anomandaris1]

I don't think that Oberheim sound is much above good soft synths anymore.

Well, maybe you are right and just with expert preset programming people can replicate anything.
But can a digital - wavetable, FM, additive synth synth sound as "alive" as analogue synths? I guess the trick is the oscillators being unstable and filters very high quality. It would be interesting to hear some typical digital metallic/crystal/weird pads or leads sounding as "musical" as something analogue - it's ironic that imperfection sounds better than 100 % in tune, static waveforms.

[egbert101]

For me personally, it's time for me to move on from the nostalgia onto new things.

[sleepcircle]

it's not all nostalgia. a big part of it is the ballistic nature of electric current, and the endless self-interactions which create all that sonic interest and liveliness.

Doing analogue models is the most taxing business I have yet encountered (followed by reverb design). Endless A/B comparisons, paired with "what is the difference, actually?". It wipes me out.

understandable. well, i wouldn't dream of trying to push you to do something that you didn't want to do. repro still offers a lot of room for my experimentation, what with all the self-oscillations and things.

[cytospur]

I don't think that Oberheim sound is much above good soft synths anymore.

Well, maybe you are right and just with expert preset programming people can replicate anything.
But can a digital - wavetable, FM, additive synth synth sound as "alive" as analogue synths? I guess the trick is the oscillators being unstable and filters very high quality. It would be interesting to hear some typical digital metallic/crystal/weird pads or leads sounding as "musical" as something analogue - it's ironic that imperfection sounds better than 100 % in tune, static waveforms.

Access to good sound engineers and producers might help too. Not something many people have access to

[ZeePok]

I don't think that Oberheim sound is much above good soft synths anymore.

Well, maybe you are right and just with expert preset programming people can replicate anything.
But can a digital - wavetable, FM, additive synth synth sound as "alive" as analogue synths? I guess the trick is the oscillators being unstable and filters very high quality. It would be interesting to hear some typical digital metallic/crystal/weird pads or leads sounding as "musical" as something analogue - it's ironic that imperfection sounds better than 100 % in tune, static waveforms.

 
Also the synth's keyboard can add to how the sound is perceived. A sound played directly with the synth's keyboard can in finess sound quite differently than the same sound played from a computer or by Midi.

(On my JX-3P (no velocity) I could do things within the attack of a sound that were not possible when played via the computer or by Midi!)


.. and for your last remark: that's called the human condition!