A Synth is only as good as its presets

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Urs
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22515 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:16 pm

anomandaris1 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:51 am
Simple sounds, but sounds excellent. I have yet to hear a vst that sounds as fat as real Oberheimer synth.
Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.

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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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10657 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:31 pm

Urs wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:16 pm
anomandaris1 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:51 am
Simple sounds, but sounds excellent. I have yet to hear a vst that sounds as fat as real Oberheimer synth.
Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.
...December 2019: U-heim Public Beta :P

sleepcircle
KVRist
347 posts since 28 Nov, 2016

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:33 pm

Urs wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:16 pm
Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.
I didn't know you DIDN'T have the nerve to do it. What's so unnerving about it?

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vurt
addled muppet weed
37676 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:37 pm

sleepcircle wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:33 pm
Urs wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:16 pm
Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.
I didn't know you DIDN'T have the nerve to do it. What's so unnerving about it?
probably the amount of "it doesn't sound anything like a synth ive never actually heard in person whereas you had one to compare in the office :tantrum: " type posts that follow an emu :hihi:

ZeePok
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1081 posts since 22 Aug, 2004 from Edge City, the Low Country

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:38 pm

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:31 pm
Urs wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:16 pm
anomandaris1 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:51 am
Simple sounds, but sounds excellent. I have yet to hear a vst that sounds as fat as real Oberheimer synth.
Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.
...December 2019: U-heim Public Beta :P
 
ReOB-Xa :D

sleepcircle
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347 posts since 28 Nov, 2016

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:40 pm

vurt wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:37 pm
probably the amount of "it doesn't sound anything like a synth ive never actually heard in person whereas you had one to compare in the office :tantrum: " type posts that follow an emu :hihi:
oh. that would be understandable.

this is why we can't have nice things.
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cytospur
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1045 posts since 26 Jun, 2002 from London, UK

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:41 pm

rOB-loX if you want to get the next generation of kids in :tu:
Wavetables for DUNE2, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.

Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt

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Urs
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22515 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:43 pm

sleepcircle wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:33 pm
Urs wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:16 pm
Very agreeable. I sometimes wish I had the nerve to do another analogue emu.
I didn't know you DIDN'T have the nerve to do it. What's so unnerving about it?
Doing analogue models is the most taxing business I have yet encountered (followed by reverb design). Endless A/B comparisons, paired with "what is the difference, actually?". It wipes me out.

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fluffy_little_something
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12220 posts since 5 Jun, 2012 from Portugal

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:45 pm

I don't think that Oberheim sound is much above good soft synths anymore.

ZeePok
KVRian
1081 posts since 22 Aug, 2004 from Edge City, the Low Country

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:52 pm

 
Maybe a controversial point, but doesn't a synth sound essentially different on every computer anyway?

They all have different (quality of) audio (re)producing equipment that might influence/colour the sound, no?

anomandaris1
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271 posts since 26 Nov, 2009

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:56 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:45 pm
I don't think that Oberheim sound is much above good soft synths anymore.
Well, maybe you are right and just with expert preset programming people can replicate anything.
But can a digital - wavetable, FM, additive synth synth sound as "alive" as analogue synths? I guess the trick is the oscillators being unstable and filters very high quality. It would be interesting to hear some typical digital metallic/crystal/weird pads or leads sounding as "musical" as something analogue - it's ironic that imperfection sounds better than 100 % in tune, static waveforms.

egbert101
KVRAF
2097 posts since 13 Jun, 2014

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:00 pm

For me personally, it's time for me to move on from the nostalgia onto new things.
No rest for the wicked.

sleepcircle
KVRist
347 posts since 28 Nov, 2016

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:01 pm

it's not all nostalgia. a big part of it is the ballistic nature of electric current, and the endless self-interactions which create all that sonic interest and liveliness.



Urs wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:43 pm
Doing analogue models is the most taxing business I have yet encountered (followed by reverb design). Endless A/B comparisons, paired with "what is the difference, actually?". It wipes me out.
understandable. well, i wouldn't dream of trying to push you to do something that you didn't want to do. repro still offers a lot of room for my experimentation, what with all the self-oscillations and things.
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cytospur
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1045 posts since 26 Jun, 2002 from London, UK

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:02 pm

anomandaris1 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:56 pm
fluffy_little_something wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:45 pm
I don't think that Oberheim sound is much above good soft synths anymore.
Well, maybe you are right and just with expert preset programming people can replicate anything.
But can a digital - wavetable, FM, additive synth synth sound as "alive" as analogue synths? I guess the trick is the oscillators being unstable and filters very high quality. It would be interesting to hear some typical digital metallic/crystal/weird pads or leads sounding as "musical" as something analogue - it's ironic that imperfection sounds better than 100 % in tune, static waveforms.
Access to good sound engineers and producers might help too. Not something many people have access to :hihi:
Wavetables for DUNE2, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.

Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt

ZeePok
KVRian
1081 posts since 22 Aug, 2004 from Edge City, the Low Country

Re: A Synth is only as good as its presets

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:06 pm

anomandaris1 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:56 pm
fluffy_little_something wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:45 pm
I don't think that Oberheim sound is much above good soft synths anymore.
Well, maybe you are right and just with expert preset programming people can replicate anything.
But can a digital - wavetable, FM, additive synth synth sound as "alive" as analogue synths? I guess the trick is the oscillators being unstable and filters very high quality. It would be interesting to hear some typical digital metallic/crystal/weird pads or leads sounding as "musical" as something analogue - it's ironic that imperfection sounds better than 100 % in tune, static waveforms.
 
Also the synth's keyboard can add to how the sound is perceived. A sound played directly with the synth's keyboard can in finess sound quite differently than the same sound played from a computer or by Midi.

(On my JX-3P (no velocity) I could do things within the attack of a sound that were not possible when played via the computer or by Midi!)


.. and for your last remark: that's called the human condition! ;)
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