Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1018 posts since 27 Mar, 2013
Hi,
I want to test every granular instrument out there
It doesn't matter if mac or win but it should be still available and 64-bit .
Max/MSP or Reaktor patches are not allowed
No DAW-Native stuff please.
And no instruments with the glimpse of granular synthesis (e.g. Absynth)
So I start the list with everything I'm aware of.
TIA
Loomer - Cumulus
hvoyaaudio - Ribs
accSone - crusher-X
Sound Guru - The Mangle
New Sonic Arts - Granite
Steinberg - Padshop Pro
Madrona Labs - Kaivo
In between:
AudioMulch (I know a DAW but I do not want to open to much threads)
Xenakios - Hourglass (like above)
Xenakios - PaulXStretch
I want to test every granular instrument out there
It doesn't matter if mac or win but it should be still available and 64-bit .
Max/MSP or Reaktor patches are not allowed
No DAW-Native stuff please.
And no instruments with the glimpse of granular synthesis (e.g. Absynth)
So I start the list with everything I'm aware of.
TIA
Loomer - Cumulus
hvoyaaudio - Ribs
accSone - crusher-X
Sound Guru - The Mangle
New Sonic Arts - Granite
Steinberg - Padshop Pro
Madrona Labs - Kaivo
In between:
AudioMulch (I know a DAW but I do not want to open to much threads)
Xenakios - Hourglass (like above)
Xenakios - PaulXStretch
Last edited by Autobot on Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
rabbit in a hole
- Beware the Quoth
- 33173 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
No idea what this means, sorry, but its not great to try and help only to get 'no, that doesnt fit my cherrypicked definition', had far too much of that in the past.
Meanwhile, Symptohm.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRAF
- 7754 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1018 posts since 27 Mar, 2013
Thanks. No cherrypicking at all I'm just asking for full granular synthesizer. Compare e.g. Padshop or The Mangle to Absynth and you will get the impression what's the difference.whyterabbyt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:46 amNo idea what this means, sorry, but its not great to try and help only to get 'no, that doesnt fit my cherrypicked definition', had far too much of that in the past.
Meanwhile, Symptohm.
rabbit in a hole
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1018 posts since 27 Mar, 2013
Maybe it's my english that got you two confused I do not know how deep the granular engine goes in the two mentioned. Maybe they fit ... ?
rabbit in a hole
- KVRist
- 429 posts since 4 Jun, 2018 from The UK
Audio Damage - Quanta
Glitchmachines - Palindrome
Glitchmachines - Polygon
Personally I would include hybrid synths like Avenger, Falcon, Halion etc. because if someone is looking for granular those are good at granular! Could just put them under a separate hybrid-synth category or something?
The line between synth and effect blurs, Audio Damage and Glitchmachines (among others) have good granular effects.
Glitchmachines - Palindrome
Glitchmachines - Polygon
Personally I would include hybrid synths like Avenger, Falcon, Halion etc. because if someone is looking for granular those are good at granular! Could just put them under a separate hybrid-synth category or something?
The line between synth and effect blurs, Audio Damage and Glitchmachines (among others) have good granular effects.
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1018 posts since 27 Mar, 2013
I do not know what you mean by taste. I'm talking about tech specs. Just like it's not a full FM-Synth because you have a FM-Modulation knob on your average synth ...
rabbit in a hole
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1018 posts since 27 Mar, 2013
Thanks forgot about Quanta did not know the other one I will check it out.Ranoka wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:07 am Audio Damage - Quanta
Glitchmachines - Palindrome
Glitchmachines - Polygon
Personally I would include hybrid synths like Avenger, Falcon, Halion etc. because if someone is looking for granular those are good at granular! Could just put them under a separate hybrid-synth category or something?
The line between synth and effect blurs, Audio Damage and Glitchmachines (among others) have good granular effects.
And yeah the line is blurrrrrry ...
To make it clear: It doesn't matter if those synths are hybrid it just matter how 'deep/complex/functional –call it what you want' the granular engine is.
rabbit in a hole
- Beware the Quoth
- 33173 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Sorry,but whatever impression you think you've second-guessed, you're probably incorrect, you really do need to make a clear definition. Almost nothing you've mentioned is a 'full' granular synthesiser, they almost all include it within what's basically a subtractive synth wrapper.Autobot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:52 amThanks. No cherrypicking at all I'm just asking for full granular synthesizer. Compare e.g. Padshop or The Mangle to Absynth and you will get the impression what's the difference.whyterabbyt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:46 amNo idea what this means, sorry, but its not great to try and help only to get 'no, that doesnt fit my cherrypicked definition', had far too much of that in the past.
Meanwhile, Symptohm.
Now you're saying its up to some 'depth' of granular synthesis complexity... to be honest, that helps just as little.
Anyway, what Im saying is you need to provide a concrete distinction, not 'X is but Y isnt'.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1018 posts since 27 Mar, 2013
Do not want to argue just interest in your knowledge. So what is a full granular synthesizer for you?whyterabbyt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:18 am [...] Almost nothing you've mentioned is a 'full' granular synthesiser, they almost all include it within what's basically a subtractive synth wrapper [...]
For me it's the fact that a sample get granulated and I can control a good amount of the way it' gets granulized. Density, Speed, Pitch, distribution, sample point, loop, etc.
And of course a envelope or filter are not necessary but welcome ... so yeah subtractive
rabbit in a hole
- Beware the Quoth
- 33173 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
CrusherX is the closest on your list, and then, Im afraid, its all those tools used to build the MAX/csound/supercollider stuff you're not interested in. What we tend to get in VST-land is granular synthesis oscillators, not granular synthesisers, and there's a lot more to the latter (for example, consider if each grain had its own effects chain and how you can deal with clusters of grains) .Autobot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:25 amDo not want to argue just interest in your knowledge. So what is a full granular synthesizer for you?whyterabbyt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:18 am [...] Almost nothing you've mentioned is a 'full' granular synthesiser, they almost all include it within what's basically a subtractive synth wrapper [...]
For me it's the fact that a sample get granulated and I can control a good amount of the way it' gets granulized. Density, Speed, Pitch, distribution, sample point, loop, etc.
And of course a envelope or filter are not necessary but welcome ... so yeah subtractive
http://granularsynthesis.com/software.php
Granular synthesis doesnt actually have a prerequisite of using a sample by the way; that's the instant-gratification implementation we most commonly see, but the grain source can be a simple single-cycle wavetable.
If you're interested, definitely have a read of a copy of Curtis Roads' Microsounds.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand