does NECTAR 3 make other tools obsolete? (fabfilter etc.?)

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Caine123
KVRAF
5350 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Post Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:01 pm

i just watched a video about nectar 3 and wow, it seems VERY nice especially for vocals. but how nice are the de-esser, gate etc.? sure fabfilter plugins are more versatile i guess, nectar 3 is more or less especially for vocals. but do you think nectar 3 is a nice package where you dont really need any other plugin anymore like comp, gate, deesser etc? especially the harmony correction seems great!
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sleepcircle
KVRist
354 posts since 28 Nov, 2016

Re: does NECTAR 3 make other tools obsolete? (fabfilter etc.?)

Post Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:17 pm

You answered the question within your original post when you said "it's not as flexible as [other tools.]"

It does not make 'other tools obsolete' unless it can do every single thing that they can do with equal appropriateness for all situations. Even then, some people prefer one algorithm's sound to another.

Please, kind forum members, if you can, do not turn this into 20 pages of bickering.

SirkusPi
KVRist
209 posts since 14 Aug, 2012

Re: does NECTAR 3 make other tools obsolete? (fabfilter etc.?)

Post Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:23 pm

Nectar 3 worked great for me on a track I just finishd (and I’m a big fan of Izotope in general; Ozone goes on everything). I used N3 in place of Fabfilter Pro-C 2 and Waves Tune, among others (although they're both terrific too, and I’m 100% sure I'll continue to use them as well).

However, although Nectar 3’s reverb seemed decent enough, I ended up not using it and substituting Valhalla Vintage Verb instead. I’ll keep experimenting with Nectar 3’s some more.

deastman
KVRAF
6791 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: does NECTAR 3 make other tools obsolete? (fabfilter etc.?)

Post Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:25 pm

I’m having trouble seeing what has to offer me, to be honest. I bought Nectar 2 mostly for its harmony tools, but they seem to have thrown in the towel and bundled Melodyne instead. I already own Melodyne 4, so that doesn’t offer me anything. I also already have the Ozone/Neutron advanced bundle and RX7 Advanced, which seems to cover the rest of what Nectar offers. I guess it might include some additional intelligent assistant modes, more finely tuned for vocal correction. I’m not convinced that is worth the $149 it would cost me to upgrade though. I’d be happy to be persuaded, but so far I’m just not seeing it.
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hebex
KVRist
51 posts since 18 Jul, 2004

Re: does NECTAR 3 make other tools obsolete? (fabfilter etc.?)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:56 am

deastman wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:25 pm
I’m having trouble seeing what has to offer me, to be honest. I bought Nectar 2 mostly for its harmony tools, but they seem to have thrown in the towel and bundled Melodyne instead. I already own Melodyne 4, so that doesn’t offer me anything. I also already have the Ozone/Neutron advanced bundle and RX7 Advanced, which seems to cover the rest of what Nectar offers. I guess it might include some additional intelligent assistant modes, more finely tuned for vocal correction. I’m not convinced that is worth the $149 it would cost me to upgrade though. I’d be happy to be persuaded, but so far I’m just not seeing it.
Interesting, I was just going to ask about that. I also own Ozone8/Neutron2 and RX (and some nice delay and reverb plugins etc) and I wonder what unique features Nectar is offering that I don´t already have.

I´m especially interested in the mixing assistance stuff that seems to be the unique selling features from Izotope compared to other companies at the moment.

For example, the Nectar 3 Relay functionality seems to be the same thing, with just another name, as the Mix Tap and Unmasking functionality in Neutron 2, am I right?

Anyone care to elaborate on this, I´d be thankful.

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Fleer
KVRAF
3860 posts since 23 Aug, 2014 from Boston/Cambridge

Re: does NECTAR 3 make other tools obsolete? (fabfilter etc.?)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:28 pm

Wait until Nectar 3 Advanced comes out ;)

Ou_Tis
KVRist
89 posts since 10 Jul, 2018

Re: does NECTAR 3 make other tools obsolete? (fabfilter etc.?)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:59 pm

I thought Nectar 3's new unmasking tool isn't in Neutron 2? The position of the dynamic EQ bands will intelligently "follow" the frequencies and automatically prevent masking in a continuous way, like Trackspacer but with fewer EQ bands and working with multiple tracks instead of just one?

But it's only designed to work well on vocals?...

IDK I already have excellent tools for getting my vocals to cut through the mix, as well as Melodyne and Rx 7. The automatic dynamic unmasking feature is what I wish Neutron 2 had but apparently not. It's bizarre that Neutron doesn't have it but I guess that getting it to sound good with many different types of instruments and sounds is a harder problem than it might seem. Though maybe MAutoDynamics and MSpectralDynamics can do it? So much to demo before BF... if Neutron Standard had good AI dynamic unmasking comparable to Trackspacer I'd probably get it, it's extremely counterintuitive that they market AI mixing without that sort of feature. Maybe that will be Neutron 3?...

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