Acustica Taupe - Hype Or The Real Deal?
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- KVRist
- 322 posts since 8 Dec, 2013
GS thread is on fire today. Half of the people saying that it is
nectar and manna from heaven and the other half pointing out to
a nasty bug (termed the "laser bug" because it sounds like
a long laser sound) generated in audio with strong transients like kick drums.
I heard the bug and it is astonishing that it made it to release.
Company head kinda claims it is normal for old tape machines, but no other
IR tape library (acustica or other) has it afaik.
Bmanic, why don't you post a few samples of that? You have been
a beta tester for this plugin?
nectar and manna from heaven and the other half pointing out to
a nasty bug (termed the "laser bug" because it sounds like
a long laser sound) generated in audio with strong transients like kick drums.
I heard the bug and it is astonishing that it made it to release.
Company head kinda claims it is normal for old tape machines, but no other
IR tape library (acustica or other) has it afaik.
Bmanic, why don't you post a few samples of that? You have been
a beta tester for this plugin?
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- KVRian
- 872 posts since 28 Nov, 2016
That's the first time I've heard about tapes doing that.
No tape recording I've ever heard has that.
Satin doesn't do that, either, that I've heard, and it does a simulation of tape machines up to and including a supersonic smear caused by magnetic self-interference from the write head which requires that the plugin run at an internal samplerate of 384khz
EDIT: i realize this is a bit like hijacking another project's thread. i only mention it because some people already said that they definitely were avoiding the company and/or the product.
No tape recording I've ever heard has that.
Satin doesn't do that, either, that I've heard, and it does a simulation of tape machines up to and including a supersonic smear caused by magnetic self-interference from the write head which requires that the plugin run at an internal samplerate of 384khz
EDIT: i realize this is a bit like hijacking another project's thread. i only mention it because some people already said that they definitely were avoiding the company and/or the product.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Since you and other people have brought it up, how is Satin as a tape emulation? How much can you get out of it as far as diversity?sleepcircle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:06 am That's the first time I've heard about tapes doing that.
No tape recording I've ever heard has that.
Satin doesn't do that, either, that I've heard, and it does a simulation of tape machines up to and including a supersonic smear caused by magnetic self-interference from the write head which requires that the plugin run at an internal samplerate of 384khz
EDIT: i realize this is a bit like hijacking another project's thread. i only mention it because some people already said that they definitely were avoiding the company and/or the product.
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
I have a lot of tape emulators. I have a tape machine as well (1/4" 15 ips). Satin has pretty much the most versatility as a tape emulator because of the wide range of advanced parameters. It can also do tape delay and flange effects. It also sounds pretty convincing as a tape emulator. Oh and it can work across multiple instances on tracks to emulate a multi-track machine.
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- KVRAF
- 6895 posts since 9 Mar, 2003 from the bridge of sighs
i am a satisfied user of Satin ...
deep , and flexible ...
it's a system , as opposed to a strict emulation ...
demo available ...
i still use digitalfishphones , just saying ...
deep , and flexible ...
it's a system , as opposed to a strict emulation ...
demo available ...
i still use digitalfishphones , just saying ...
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Thanks guys. I will probably look into Satin as soon as I scrounge up some cash. Times are tight this year.
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- KVRian
- 872 posts since 28 Nov, 2016
as far as diversity goes, if you know the exact response of the tape system you are trying to emulate, you can more or less program a very decent approximation by adjusting satin's electrical and mechanical parameters—adjusting the distance between the tape and the head, adjusting the angle of the head, the signal bias; recording and reproduction EQ circuits used for noise reduction, etc.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
I'm assuming that you'd have to...sleepcircle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:08 am as far as diversity goes, if you know the exact response of the tape system you are trying to emulate, you can more or less program a very decent approximation by adjusting satin's electrical and mechanical parameters—adjusting the distance between the tape and the head, adjusting the angle of the head, the signal bias; recording and reproduction EQ circuits used for noise reduction, etc.
1. Get the specs of the tape machine you want to emulate (i.e Teac A3440) and then understand each Satin control to match the specs of the machine itself. Is that even possible?
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
Not really. Not numerically. You have to do it by ear. It's not so important to emulate a specific machine as it is to get the character you are looking for.wagtunes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:25 amI'm assuming that you'd have to...sleepcircle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:08 am as far as diversity goes, if you know the exact response of the tape system you are trying to emulate, you can more or less program a very decent approximation by adjusting satin's electrical and mechanical parameters—adjusting the distance between the tape and the head, adjusting the angle of the head, the signal bias; recording and reproduction EQ circuits used for noise reduction, etc.
1. Get the specs of the tape machine you want to emulate (i.e Teac A3440) and then understand each Satin control to match the specs of the machine itself. Is that even possible?
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- KVRian
- 872 posts since 28 Nov, 2016
Most measurements you could probably get from just a recording of the tape, (the noise floor and head bump and stuff); you could probably get the ideal gap width and the rep/rec EQs, bias, headroom, etc. from a pdf of an old manual or something—from there you'd only have to adjust a handful of parameters by ear, like wow, tape asperity, and pre-emphasis
(caveat. since satin's middle-of-the-road bias setting is just "0" and you adjust above or below that, there is still SOME GUESSWORK there, too.)
(caveat. since satin's middle-of-the-road bias setting is just "0" and you adjust above or below that, there is still SOME GUESSWORK there, too.)
- KVRian
- 933 posts since 25 Dec, 2007 from Hamburg,Germany
Howdy,
thought I give AA freebies a shot in the Freeware roundup,
it seems a good portion of KVR members are not so familiar with them.
No cpu hogs and top quality.
Regarding Taupe:
I can easily predict a lot of laser jokes ... the rest remains to be seen.
Planned for the weekend but I can`t give a demo green light at this stage.
thought I give AA freebies a shot in the Freeware roundup,
it seems a good portion of KVR members are not so familiar with them.
No cpu hogs and top quality.
Regarding Taupe:
I can easily predict a lot of laser jokes ... the rest remains to be seen.
Planned for the weekend but I can`t give a demo green light at this stage.
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- KVRian
- 1090 posts since 24 Jul, 2018
I'll be sticking to AirWindows FromTape 5 and console emulations for my sound degradation as in blind test they sound dead accurate and are free.
But if Accustica usually has easily the most accurate emulations of consoles because they use actual Impulse Responses from the hardware which is why they are cpu killers but also make things sound better just by turning the plug on and not even making adjustments.
But if Accustica usually has easily the most accurate emulations of consoles because they use actual Impulse Responses from the hardware which is why they are cpu killers but also make things sound better just by turning the plug on and not even making adjustments.
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- KVRian
- 872 posts since 28 Nov, 2016
airwindows totape/fromtape sounds very good but not QUITE like tape. they have the same types of positive effects but not quite in the same configuration. i tried using them but ended up going back to satin (although actually i still use IronOxide5 for some stuff)
airwindows' console plugins are stupendous though, yeah. mind-blowing effect.
(also on the subject of 'turning the plugin on makes it sound better' I've found that effect with satin, as well. it is kind of a sound-gooderizer, in a lot of ways. especially when you use it as a multi-track device.)
airwindows' console plugins are stupendous though, yeah. mind-blowing effect.
(also on the subject of 'turning the plugin on makes it sound better' I've found that effect with satin, as well. it is kind of a sound-gooderizer, in a lot of ways. especially when you use it as a multi-track device.)
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- KVRist
- 247 posts since 1 May, 2006
All I can say is Taupe sounds absolutely amazing. Not experiencing any bugs on Windows 10 Ableton 10.
- KVRian
- 933 posts since 25 Dec, 2007 from Hamburg,Germany
In case you`d like to have first impressions on YT,
user "AntiTeatar Music" is pretty quick on AA products in general.
The "laser bug" is documented but it is supposed to be fixed as of today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlSZx58gmEY
user "AntiTeatar Music" is pretty quick on AA products in general.
The "laser bug" is documented but it is supposed to be fixed as of today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlSZx58gmEY
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