Drawing Modulation curves

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vignesh.vijay
KVRian
570 posts since 18 Jun, 2013

Post Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:37 am

Hi,

How do I draw modulation curves for String, Brass/Woodwinds sections ?

How to draw if a bar has only one note and How to draw if a bar has 4 notes or more?

Also, Whats the difference between Modulation and Expression curves? When to use each one of them?

Thanks

funky lime
KVRian
1196 posts since 17 Sep, 2002

Re: Drawing Modulation curves

Post Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:01 am

It depends on how the instrument is set up. A lot of orchestral libraries use modulation (CC1) to crossfade between dynamic layers (which frequently has an effect on volume as well as timbre). And often, expression (CC11) is used to control volume alone, without affecting timbre. There is also variation within these libraries; a library might use a CC to control dynamics for long notes, while the dynamics of short notes could be controlled by velocity instead. This is going to vary from one library to another; some stuff uses CC1 to control vibrato, and CC11 to control dynamics, for instance.

Long notes are not static, in a real world context. Depending on which samples you are using, there might be some sort of dynamic arc built into the recorded performance. This is not always the case, however; some libraries require you to sculpt every aspect of the performance. As a rule of thumb, long notes tend to "swell," as in the mod wheel starts low, builds up to the intended dynamic, and then maybe tapers off toward the end of the note. This is going to depend entirely on context, though.

You haven't really provided enough context to get accurate responses here. Without knowing which specific tools you're using, and what you're trying to achieve, anything we tell you might be leading you down the wrong path.

It's worth checking out Mike Verta's videos on YT. This guy really knows his stuff when it comes to achieving "realism" with orchestral virtual instruments, and has a couple videos about this specific topic.

Even though those videos focus on real-time input with a keyboard, the same principles apply when considering inputting that data via sequencer instead.

vignesh.vijay
KVRian
570 posts since 18 Jun, 2013

Re: Drawing Modulation curves

Post Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:11 pm

Thanks a lot for taking time for the writeup .. I will definitely check out Mike Verta's videos.
I use Cinematic Strings and Cinematic Studio Strings mostly.
I use Metropolis Ark 2 mostly for Brass and ProjectSam sometimes.
Woodwinds mostly would be Spitfire/ projectSam.
and I use Metropolis Ark for Choir.

vignesh.vijay
KVRian
570 posts since 18 Jun, 2013

Re: Drawing Modulation curves

Post Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:24 pm

any other suggestions on this?

I am struggling to get that realistic sound out of my strings especially.

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