Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

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u-u-u
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870 posts since 31 Mar, 2014

Post Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:48 am

I bought a (used) MX Master by Logitech some time ago. This mouse has a second scroll wheel for the thumb which can scroll horizontally. Very useful also with Bitwig Studio! I horizontal scrolling very often in the arranger, launcher, device chain, detail editors, sampler waveform view. etc.

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pdxindy
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14159 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:06 am

The Apple mouse has no scroll wheel at all. But the top surface is touch sensitive, so move the finger horizontal scrolls horizontal and move vertical and it scrolls vertical. Control + horizontal movement zooms in and out.

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JHernandez
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275 posts since 7 Dec, 2017

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:17 pm

I don't use, or have, an apple mouse. I'm using a simple wireless Logitech with my Mac. There is no mouse or mousewheel assignment that I can find in the shortcuts. I can't seem to add any either. It's looking like it's default mousewheel tilt + move mouse up or down, or key commands are my only options. I can live with it, I just wanted to try some different stuff.
-JH

ckam03
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381 posts since 11 May, 2014

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:38 am

u-u-u wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:48 am
I bought a (used) MX Master by Logitech some time ago. This mouse has a second scroll wheel for the thumb which can scroll horizontally. Very useful also with Bitwig Studio! I horizontal scrolling very often in the arranger, launcher, device chain, detail editors, sampler waveform view. etc.
Greatest mouse ever. I thought it was silly to spend so much on a mouse but I bought it and won't look back.

Stamped Records
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31 posts since 20 Sep, 2018 from UK

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:45 pm

xbitz wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:47 am
^^^ the pointer one, btw yepp the 'Zoom to Fit' shortkey is real lifesaver

"smart tool won't give me the god damn mouse to select something" ... err clicking on the headers (clips, events etc.) selects them
Actually, no it doesn't. I improvise for 10 minutes or more recording and then come back and edit. There is a zoom level at which I can see a clip in the arrange and it's a full square inch in size, but the mouse simply will not switch to the pointer tool. It will switch to the loop tool and the tool for extending the clip at each side, but there is no pointer in the middle, it just hops from the left extend tool to the right extend tool.

It's truly aweful. The tracks need to be able to be resized much more freely than they are now. Look at any other DAW and the amount that can be shown on screen at any one time, and then look at Bitwig.

Seriously guys, I'm being reserved because I really do like what Bitwig has done, but we're getting to version 3 now and it's like, you're overlooking the simple things a hell of a lot.

Karbon L. Forms
KVRian
1099 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Inverness, Scotland

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:22 pm

You must have something funky going down. I can make a clip on a track take up most of the screen. And we'd have a problem if we couldn't select clips. Even at 1/4 inch I can still select a clip. Can you screenshot to show us?
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Karbon L. Forms
KVRian
1099 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Inverness, Scotland

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:29 pm

Do you mean editing? That's pretty darned big...
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Karbon L. Forms
KVRian
1099 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Inverness, Scotland

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Post Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:53 pm

Random video. At about 5 minute mark he's moving clips. You're saying none of this is possible for you as all you can do is loop or resize? That's bonkers dude. Something's not right. (As mentioned above, it's the top of the clip to select, not the thumbnail note view lower part. Dark bit with the clip name. Sorry if you knew that already.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUlKdWmAn2s
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aMUSEd
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29990 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:59 pm

ckam03 wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:38 am
u-u-u wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:48 am
I bought a (used) MX Master by Logitech some time ago. This mouse has a second scroll wheel for the thumb which can scroll horizontally. Very useful also with Bitwig Studio! I horizontal scrolling very often in the arranger, launcher, device chain, detail editors, sampler waveform view. etc.
Greatest mouse ever. I thought it was silly to spend so much on a mouse but I bought it and won't look back.
I find it gets through its battery far too quickly though, also on my Mac the Bluetooth connection is erratic to say the least, I have to use the wifi wireless mode to get a stable connection which then takes up a spare USB port.

ckam03
KVRist
381 posts since 11 May, 2014

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:43 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:59 pm
ckam03 wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:38 am
u-u-u wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:48 am
I bought a (used) MX Master by Logitech some time ago. This mouse has a second scroll wheel for the thumb which can scroll horizontally. Very useful also with Bitwig Studio! I horizontal scrolling very often in the arranger, launcher, device chain, detail editors, sampler waveform view. etc.
Greatest mouse ever. I thought it was silly to spend so much on a mouse but I bought it and won't look back.
I find it gets through its battery far too quickly though, also on my Mac the Bluetooth connection is erratic to say the least, I have to use the wifi wireless mode to get a stable connection which then takes up a spare USB port.
Are you using the first version? I'm using the 2s and this thing lasts weeks before I have to recharge it.

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aMUSEd
KVRAF
29990 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

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Post Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:50 am

Yes, the weak Bluetooth connection is particularly bad

Stamped Records
KVRist
31 posts since 20 Sep, 2018 from UK

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:22 am

I can't re-enact the situation right now. However, I really don't like the tools switching. In fact, I fu*cking hate it. I want to change my own tool the way I ALWAYS did before this came along and fu*cked with 10 years of blissful clicking.

Yokai
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117 posts since 7 Nov, 2017

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:26 am

Stamped Records wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:22 am
I can't re-enact the situation right now. However, I really don't like the tools switching. In fact, I fu*cking hate it. I want to change my own tool the way I ALWAYS did before this came along and fu*cked with 10 years of blissful clicking.
Um, Bitwig is only 4 years old. And I personally would be driven mad by being forced to manually select my tool every single time. I like the smart switching quite a lot, both in the Arranger and down in the Event Editor.

newtobitwig
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42 posts since 9 Sep, 2018

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:56 am

Stamped Records wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:22 am
I can't re-enact the situation right now. However, I really don't like the tools switching. In fact, I fu*cking hate it. I want to change my own tool the way I ALWAYS did before this came along and fu*cked with 10 years of blissful clicking.
Hold on for a few days,maybe you'll get comfortable. If not,switch to another DAW,no big deal.

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JHernandez
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275 posts since 7 Dec, 2017

Re: Bitwig's use of screen space is AWFUL

Post Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:06 am

"I've been using DAWs for 10 years now, and at around the 8 year mark, every DAW started to f**k with my life with what is known as a smart tool." - Stamped Records

It's been two years. It's time to move on. Things change. :hug:
-JH

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